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F inalienable year students affected by marking boycott

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fUNNYfACE36 · 12/05/2023 02:36

How is your final year student being affected?
Dd(dutham) will graduate on the planned date with a transcript of grades so far ,but not receive a classification until October.

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myveryownelectrickitten · 15/05/2023 13:13

But the point is still important. If most of the Modern Languages lecturers are in UCU, and the ones in soft matter physics aren’t, what’s the point of a grant income boycott? There’s no grant income for the UCU members to boycott in Modern Languages; and the physics department’s grant income would be completely unaffected. 🤷‍♀️

dreamingbohemian · 15/05/2023 13:31

myveryownelectrickitten · 15/05/2023 13:06

It might be two thirds as much as tuition income (at my institution it’s more), but that is largely concentrated in a very few disciplines/departments which have a high percentage of non-U.K. and soft money funded staff who aren’t unionised for the most part. Whereas the heavily unionises departments don’t bring in Anna grant income. So how would a grant income boycott work?

A strike is meant to be a singular collective action that has the most impact on an employer. How would a few individuals refusing to serve on REF committees now, for an exercise in five years’ time, for results in six years’ time, for funding allocations in seven years’ time, work? Half of my department would have left by then! (We have a large proportion of postdocs.) The university wouldn’t give a toss.

Targeting the REF isn't just the organisational work (though that is considerable -- somebody has to put together the submissions) but also not publishing in the first place. Instead of a marking boycott, a publishing boycott, where academics refrain from submitting publications. If this lasts long enough it would start to threaten REF submissions.

That would obviously not be enough on its own but combined with boycotting grant submissions, and other research and admin work, collectively that would pressure universities. It would not only threaten their income but their recruitment and reputation.

Yes this would all take some time, but the teaching boycotts have been dragging on for years so it's not like that is a quick fix either.

@SunnyEgg I think the feeling where I am is that the salaries would be ok if we had better working conditions. So I think our local demand would be to hire more staff so that we are not all so overworked and the students get a better education. More funding would be nice but even re-prioritising within existing funds would help.

titchy · 15/05/2023 13:34

At my university, grant/funding income is about two-thirds as much as tuition income, i.e. it's a lot of money to threaten (hundreds of millions per year).

They don't affect the bottom line though - any income you receive from grants gets spent! So don't get a grant means you don't get the income, but also that you don't have any expenditure. Your senior managers won't care, other than the impact on REF, but that's five years away.

ofteninaspin · 15/05/2023 14:12

DS’s supervisor has given assurance that his dissertation (submitted) and final exams (to be taken late May/early June) will be marked as normal and in time for graduation at the end of June. DS seems confident that this will be the case.
I feel for those DC who haven’t had similar reassurance from their tutors. Finals is not the time for uncertainty - many of our DC faced that with the A Level grade debacle.

fUNNYfACE36 · 15/05/2023 14:56

felissamy · 14/05/2023 10:30

Don't get me started on Covid. We worked so hard transforming all our courses to online, with a full raft of pre records and live sessions and interactivity. We all had to undertake a massive training to make this work and we perfected it for the second iteration. We went above and beyond....you snarky moaners don't have a clue,

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this! Sitting at home recirding voice overs for their existing powerpoinrs which have then been used in subsequent years , with zero extra work Missing at least a year of exam marking!

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SheilaFentiman · 15/05/2023 14:57

fUNNYfACE36 · 15/05/2023 14:56

I nearly fell off my chair laughing at this! Sitting at home recirding voice overs for their existing powerpoinrs which have then been used in subsequent years , with zero extra work Missing at least a year of exam marking!

That is absolutely not what happened.

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