Unis request to raise fees to insane levels

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Fees for 2023 and 2024 are agreed to be £9250. Article below appears to be calling for increase in fees to circa £24k ie on par with overseas students.

Do anyone think this is a remote chance this will happen? My initial reaction is one of horror. (Not read beyond the paywall).

Times uni fees article

Deemed is doing a lot of heavy lifting....

And we know that children of degree educated parents are more likely to go to university themselves so there is evidence of generational benefit.
However we have an education system which is woefully underfunded and there are still areas of the uk where going to university is not the norm.

I'm finding this discussion hard to follow. Has anyone actually read the article? I'm not willing to go out and buy a copy of the Sunday Times to read a single article that may well just be made up.

Which universities charge £24,000 pa tuition fees to international students? This will be a small number of courses at a very limited number of universities that regard themselves as "elite".

I've seen the average total cost of studying in the UK estimated as £22,000 pa, including tuition fees and living costs, so average international tuition fees are nowhere near £24,000.

Probably worth at this point mentioning that less than 40% of school leavers go to uni, and a quarter of those are doing teaching and healthcare courses (ie those which used to have non-uni routes to qualification).

Just before someone comes out with 'it's ridiculous that 55% of kids go to uni, we need plumbers and apprenticeships not media studies students.'

Why can many European countries offer almost free University tuition? Perhaps taxes are a little higher overall? But surely that would be worth it for the next generation's education?!

I've read the whole thing. I don't think it specifies .

First none RG I picked - Leicester Bio science - £22k, second one - Surrey Accounting - £20k.

So pretty much same ballpark.

Agree. Can you tell Mistrust that...

This makes me so angry. How did we go from zero fees to plans for 24k?
It makes no sense. We are telling kids to get the best education you can and then punishing them financially for doing just that.

Firstly, the full loan is not 9k it is more like 18k as you need to add the full maintenance loan. So some grads are leaving with a 54k + debts, which they pay interest on from day 1. Then as soon as they get a grad job they will soon be paying an extra 9%. On top of this they are expected to save a hefty deposit 50k to get a house (London/South East).

Then they are told not to expect a pension, so you have to save for that too. Oh and have at almost 2 months worth of savings as universal credit willl only be paid after 5 weeks. Meanwhile, they qualify for very little extra help, as they are deemed to be earning too much.

I know there is a big push in the media that young people do not need to go to uni, just get an apprenticeship/job and work your way up. However, the quality of some apprenticeships is iffy with the best ones requiring you to live near a big city. Also there are still too many jobs that have the requirement of any degree 2.2 and above to just apply for the job as well as jobs that tradionally have always needed a degree e.g. doctors, teachers, engineers. Until this changes why would any child who has aspirations not obtain a degree.

The youth are caught in a massive catch 22 situation. Who are they supposed to vote in to change things for the better? The last time they voted for change the party which campaigned to end tuition fees tripled them within days of getting to power.

There is growing voter apathy and unless the political parties stop the endless in-party conflicts and get to the business of running the country for all people, not just small sections of the community. Life will become increasingly difficult, especially if you are not born into money.

titchy - when was the last date when there was a non- graduate route into teaching?

BEds started in the 1960s, if my Googling serves me correctly, and while it remains possible for graduates without teacher training to teach (primarily in private schools), I can’t think of a recent period when those with no degree at all had a mainstream route into teaching?

The course I teach on is £28k a year for international students

The daily mail headline

"University bosses call for tuition fees to be raised by up to 40% to £13,000-a-year as they warn they are forced to accept more foreign students paying £24,000 to plug funding gap"

International fees vary so much.
Not one course at my university charges £24k for international students.

If memory serves a CertEd from teacher training college was sufficient in the 80s. Nursing was early 2000s.

I'd be happy to pay more tax for good schooling and a good NHS

most of my pay packet what is taken up by tax on the services in this country are shocking including uni to some degree

The fees are a lot for many students to manage.

You've only got lot look at the rises in energy and cost of living to see that universities - as businesses - are having to bear the rises in costs, too.

My DS has mid-range halls accommodation this year. It's set at £700 per month for 22/23 terms, which includes heating & utilities. How much is that going to rise to next year?

It just means tax payers pay even more as fewer students ever pay off the debt so university becomes a gift from tax payers to students even if the student never works a day in their life! We perhaps need to try to go back to when I went when 15% of people went to university, not around 50% of today.

The unis make enough money on extortionate accommodation fees. A tiny room and a shared kitchen which is more than the maintanance loan is ridiculous.

It just means tax payers pay even more as fewer students ever pay off the debt so university becomes a gift from tax payers to students even if the student never works a day in their life!

Perhaps tax rates should be raised? Perhaps ALL students should have to repay their loans if they have any income at all l?

We perhaps need to try to go back to when I went when 15% of people went to university, not around 50% of today.

Back to an elite system? No thanks

Not all universities own accommodation.
Mine doesn't .

With no water rates, no electricity, no heating costs and no internet costs. Communal areas cleaned, building maintained, security doing rounds at night. All included in the cost. If you want profit check out the rates that private providers charge.

And frankly, so what if they make a surplus on accommodation? As long as there is some cheaper halls available everyone's happy - there is more demand for the expensive accommodation as a rule btw.

I think the obvious issue with this us that the education system of that time reflected the employment and social landscape at that time - when many decently waged, permanent jobs were to be found in heavy industry and where a class-based elitist system of ‘who went into what kind of employment’ based on socio-economic background was rife. You can’t graft an education system of one era onto the economic and social system of another.

Are there any current, successful economies in democratic countries where higher education is restricted to 15% of the cohort?

It's kite flying, and won't happen.

But it indicates the real cost of a degree. People should all realise that the £9250 tuition fee doesn't cover the cost of an undergraduate degree in the UK (of whatever discipline). The differential fees charged to overseas students are pitched much more realistically in terns of a recognition of the real cost of each degree. (International students pretty much subsidise UK students at undergrad level).

Well said. The "message" given to students is completely wrong as it gives the impression that they won't be paying off the capital (i.e. amounts they borrow), but the reality is that most will pay at least the amount borrowed, but as you say, the interest is so high, they could well pay tens of thousands more than they borrowed in the first place and still not fully pay it off.