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Funding for academically excellent students from UK to study abroad

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mids2019 · 14/08/2022 16:37

Four out of 10 UK students are being rejected by elite universities mol.im/a/11110105 via dailym.ai/android.

If the above is true in the DM should we consider funding extremely good students squeezed out of Oxbridge to go to US universities?

We have always had a good system where wealth isn't a barrier to university access but increasingly universities are attracting overseas students with their fees but UK students may not have the financial means to reciprocate this arrangement.

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HewasH2O · 15/08/2022 09:43

Bold fail. You can tell where the A*s start & finish.

titchy · 15/08/2022 09:44

Our alumni fundraising gets spent on capital projects and supporting the poorest of our home students!

JocelynBurnell · 15/08/2022 09:47

JulesJules · 14/08/2022 21:44

I don't know where they got their figures from, it's not a 60% acceptance rate from Oxbridge - last year there were 24,000 applications for 3300 places at Oxford - that's a 13.75% acceptance rate.

It's the Dailymail.

They don't need to get figures from anywhere when they can just make them up.

nexttry · 15/08/2022 09:55

OP, you are Liz Truss and I claim my £5.

Storminamu · 15/08/2022 10:57

I don't understand that article - where are they getting the 60% from? A 60% acceptance rate would be ludicrously high for an elite university - it really wouldn't be an elite university. I attach the figures for Cambridge for 2019 (as pre-pandemic). Acceptance rates vary considerably between courses. For classics, it's a 50% acceptance rate. But in another subject it's 20%. In my view, these are high acceptance rates. The acceptance rate for Chinese applicants to the top Chinese university is 2%. Acceptance rates for the Ivy League universities in the US and for the "Grandes Ecoles" in France are far lower than for Oxford and Cambridge.

Xenia · 15/08/2022 21:25

Telegraph thinks things are going to be hard this year too www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2022/08/14/a-level-pupils-should-brace-disappointment-watchdog-warns/ (this year is students with no normal GCSEs and no AS levels, whose A levels were the first public exams they ever did so quite a weird year for all kinds of reasons).

mathanxiety · 16/08/2022 04:46

@GCAcademic that's a widely held myth.

Taxation is actually pretty high in the US. Americans pay federal and state income taxes along with county taxes assessed on property, various city taxes and charges (city stickers for cars for instance) as well as annual state car tax, and every single thing you buy in the supermarket and everywhere else is also taxed. My state claps an extra ten percent onto the price of every transaction. Services are also taxed. On top of local/city and county taxes, Americans pay their local municipality for garbage collection and water and sewer provision. Property taxes can be extremely high - there are property owners in my suburbs who are paying $50k in property taxes annually.

The culture of philanthropy in the UK needs to catch up if UK universities are to stay relevant. American universities have huge staffs employed to schmooze money out of the pockets of alums.

bevelino · 16/08/2022 05:07

pointythings · 14/08/2022 18:57

We used to have the option for UK students to study at great universities in the EU. Unfortunately we voted to take that away from them. Maybe look at that first?

This 100%

There is zero chance of a taxpayer funded education in the US for students who don’t secure a place at an elite university in the U.K.

emma6115 · 22/05/2023 08:20

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pointythings · 22/05/2023 09:55

@emma6115 none of that negates the fact that we threw away easy access to study abroad. You sound like a government soundbite.

GoodThinkingMax · 22/05/2023 16:06

Have you even read the thread @emma6115 ? Full of on-the-ground advice from UK and US academics ...

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