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Medicine 2022 - Decision time!

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Monkey2001 · 27/01/2022 14:26

Support thread for aspiring medics.

We want all our DCs to succeed, whatever their school type. We share knowledge to help them to achieve their goals, celebrate success and support if things don't go well.

Lots of interviews now done, fingers crossed for lots of offers, but we know it is a tough year and that most applicants will have a bumpy ride. Best of luck everyone!

Previous thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/a4358647-Medicine-2022-entry?msgid=114590369#114590369

2023 applicant thread - www.mumsnet.com/Talk/higher_education/4459778-Medicine-2023-Entry

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dustybee · 23/04/2022 09:48

Thankyou @LaFlottes and @Monkey2001 , very helpful. Yes- the Sheffield course seems preferable, and also the”feel” of the university is very friendly, and accommodation excellent. I will show her your replies!

Chilldonaldchill · 23/04/2022 09:51

Monkey2001 · 22/04/2022 23:57

@dustybee prestige isn't a thing for medicine, when you apply for F1 jobs I don't think they even know where you trained, just your position in your cohort. She should go for the course structure and place she likes best.

Amazing to have 3 offers.
It's absolutely true that currently (and things change frequently in the NHS and doctor training but this isn't likely to change I think) the foundation schools have zero idea where you trained. Even for ST training, although there it's on the application form, it's an irrelevance.
For Foundation school you get 50% of your points from where you graduated in you cohort at your med school (so top 10% at Lincoln - for example - much better than bottom 10% at Oxford, bearing in mind that the bottom 10% will also have amazing GCSEs, A levels and likely done very well through uni too) and 50% on a SJT. The higher you score on these two means the more likely you are to get a choice about where you go to Foundation school.
(A few years ago, I was involved in scoring foundation applications when it was a different system from now but still blind in terms of medical schools. It was before Brexit and we could often make a reasonable guess as to those people applying from European medical schools as there were a lot of white space questions/answers but we didn't even know whether they were from the UK or not, let alone Leeds or Liverpool).
Honestly, your medical school won't ever be discussed at any type of selection until consultant / GP interview stage. And for consultants there's a propensity to employ people who have locumed for the trust so they're known - so then medical school doesn't matter. And for substantive GP posts it's pretty much "are you breathing?" at the moment since GPs are haemorrhaging from the profession.
So truly I would tell her to go where she thinks she will be happiest for 5-6 years.
(And fwiw, even in my day when medical schools mattered a little more, I never heard anyone comment on prestige differentials between those three).

Chilldonaldchill · 23/04/2022 09:52

Obviously that was for @dustybee but my quote didn't work properly!

MarchingFrogs · 23/04/2022 09:58

With regard to the application for finance, your DS should start the process now (especially if your household income qualifies him for more than the basic, non-means-tested portion of the maintenance loan, as you will need to set up your own account to provide details of your income for his assessment; if your household income is definitely above the threshold, your DS should not bother to give your details to start this process, as there is no point in going through the assessment, only for him to be told what you knew all along). Details such as the university he will definitely be going to can be updated later.

Re accommodation, most universities only allow the applicant to book once they have firmed - your DS shoukd check the individual universities' websites. Some do also allow those holding their offer as insurance to request accommodation as well. Most operate the system where you submit your requests early on (and by a given deadline to be guaranteed accommodation), but the actual offer of accommodation is only made later, often only after results day.

For an offer of a place deferred to the next academic year, the applicant normally has to meet the entry requirements for the current cycle (that is, as if they were starting this September). The place would then be confirmed, but with a start date of the following year. Once the university confirms that it's requirements have been met, it can't withdraw the offer in normal circumstances.

I don't know how Liverpool organises its accommodation allocations, but for a lot of universities, June would still be within the time period for their guarantee, August less likely. He needs to investigate with the accommodation office at Liverpool what his options would be in each scenario.

sydenhamhiller · 23/04/2022 10:37

I am so so grateful for this thread over the past year or so.
Finally, an offer! Rejection/ Mon medical offer from Exeter and Cardiff; waiting list at Queens Belfast; and then 2 weeks ago an offer from his first choice, Leeds with AAA. He’s forecast AAA* so we are really crossing our fingers.

He just got the firm offer yesterday, now to book accommodation.

Anyone got any tips for Leeds: not a massive party animal/ catered/ does not need en-suite…

I feel a bit gushing, but honestly, this thread has been a life saver. People have been so generous with their time, expertise and general support.

Onewildandpreciouslife · 23/04/2022 10:44

DD got an offer from Nottingham this morning! (Well, last night, but she was too scared to look)

Thanks for the handholding while we waited- I wish I’d found you last year.

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 11:38

@Onewildandpreciouslife congratulations 🎉 . DD is a 4th year at Notts so any questions I'm sure she can help.
Congratulations to all the other offers ! Finally they are trickling in.
Apply for student finance now - can always change the Uni if need to, but otherwise your first payment will be late.
And agree with everyone else - no one cares where you go to do medicine. Sheffield is an amazing course and a fantastic city. And it has the wonderful Julian😊.
You only need one offer .....

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 11:40

@musicathome76 Liverpool let you apply for accommodation in the January, no need to even wait for interview ! So if he's going next year he can apply next Jan.

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 11:42

@Chilldonaldchill 😂😂 showed this to DD who seemed to think it's v v true. Begging them to think about GP.

And for substantive GP posts it's pretty much "are you breathing?" at the moment since GPs are haemorrhaging from the profession.

Monkey2001 · 23/04/2022 12:52

Oooh, it is all happening on here this morning!

@musicathome76 Unless your DS actually wants a gap year or has a strong preference for Liverpool I would be firming UEA in his position, but this decision has to be what works for him. If he strongly prefers Liverpool, as you can apply for accommodation before you have an offer, wouldn't he be able to apply for accom for 2022 now in case that offer is brought forwards? He can wait until 10th June to see what happens to the Liverpool offer, he could also call Liverpool and see it they will tell him where he is on the waiting list as it may make a difference. I wish Newcastle has taken the same approach as St George's and Liverpool for their reserve list - an offer for next year with a maybe for this year would feel much better than where we are now, although it must mess things up a bit for next year.

@sydenhamhiller and @Onewildandpreciouslife congratulations on the offers!

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mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 13:24

@Monkey2001 off topic, but did you see that all the reserve list got their deaneries this week ? Most seemed to get first choice. Must have made 796 new jobs as lots don't have their final results yet ! Hopefully will be smoother next year 🤞

Monkey2001 · 23/04/2022 13:39

Glad to hear that @mumsneedwine Ecolier on TSR said it is always the same and jobs are always found for all applicants, but it is a load of stress at a stressful time for the poor medics.

Went for a walk with a friend this morning whose DD is a registrar, nearly consultant. She works normal hours in the week and has on calls (2 x 12 hour days this weekend) and has a small child. Add to that the fact that they stretched to buy a tiny house and it really feels like these poor kids are working so hard for a none too rosy future! Luckily the personal satisfaction makes it worthwhile for her, but she and her husband are moving to Canada where she will be much better paid for a better work/life balance.

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SeasonFinale · 23/04/2022 13:49

The issue with the 2023 offer will be that this would tip him over into the new style SFE which means he would pay for 40 years rather than 30 so it may very worth running a calculation based on projected earnings to see how much difference it makes on paying back.

Monkey2001 · 23/04/2022 14:01

SeasonFinale · 23/04/2022 13:49

The issue with the 2023 offer will be that this would tip him over into the new style SFE which means he would pay for 40 years rather than 30 so it may very worth running a calculation based on projected earnings to see how much difference it makes on paying back.

Most medics will pay a lot less with the new loan system as they are likely to pay it all back and the interest rate is much lower.

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musicathome76 · 23/04/2022 14:22

@MarchingFrogs thank you so much for very clear explanations! It helps so much.
@Monkey2001 DS applied for Liverpool accommodation after his interview. I think at the moment he slightly prefers Liverpool something to do with the course. This was online interview and he’s never been to the city. Thank you so much for you advice!

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 14:25

@musicathome76 UEA is a beautiful campus with amazing hospitals (Bob Champion cancer one is huge). It's a v modern course and has come top for students saying they feel ready for F1 positions. Students I've had go there absolutely love it ! Although Norwich is a bit less buzzy than Liverpool (I fell in love with Liverpool when visited with DD).

dustybee · 23/04/2022 14:39

@Chilldonaldchill thankyou- v useful. I should out myself as also a dr- although in a very niche speciality, with no knowledge - until DD going through this - about medical school applications nowadays. I think back in the day the med school did matter a bit (London clinical probably helped me get those first jobs) but that just doesn’t apply now. The important thing is to be on a course that suits learning style, with good clinical exposure somewhere supportive and where they’ll be happy. I think the issue for DD is that as she’s a straight A* student- as all med school applicants have to be now pretty much- her teachers have been luke warm about her choosing Sheffield. One suggested she reapply post A levels 😡- they just have no idea that medicine is very very difficult and completely different to other courses. Anyhoo- thanks so much all- she is firming Sheffield with excitement and pride. Goodluck to all those talented kids-it’s a long old road and the nhs will be lucky to have them

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 14:43

@dustybee she'll get to meet the mighty Julian, officially the nicest medical school person ever. From my experience it's so well run and supportive. She's a lucky DD !

dustybee · 23/04/2022 14:46

😊

Yourcallisinaq · 23/04/2022 16:25

dustybee · 23/04/2022 14:39

@Chilldonaldchill thankyou- v useful. I should out myself as also a dr- although in a very niche speciality, with no knowledge - until DD going through this - about medical school applications nowadays. I think back in the day the med school did matter a bit (London clinical probably helped me get those first jobs) but that just doesn’t apply now. The important thing is to be on a course that suits learning style, with good clinical exposure somewhere supportive and where they’ll be happy. I think the issue for DD is that as she’s a straight A* student- as all med school applicants have to be now pretty much- her teachers have been luke warm about her choosing Sheffield. One suggested she reapply post A levels 😡- they just have no idea that medicine is very very difficult and completely different to other courses. Anyhoo- thanks so much all- she is firming Sheffield with excitement and pride. Goodluck to all those talented kids-it’s a long old road and the nhs will be lucky to have them

As a cautionary note, might I add that it's very possible to hold an offer and still fail at the A level stage, as happened to my DS who was a couple of marks off on one of his. Hope this doesn't happen to anyone here. It's truly awful!

Chilldonaldchill · 23/04/2022 16:49

dustybee · 23/04/2022 14:39

@Chilldonaldchill thankyou- v useful. I should out myself as also a dr- although in a very niche speciality, with no knowledge - until DD going through this - about medical school applications nowadays. I think back in the day the med school did matter a bit (London clinical probably helped me get those first jobs) but that just doesn’t apply now. The important thing is to be on a course that suits learning style, with good clinical exposure somewhere supportive and where they’ll be happy. I think the issue for DD is that as she’s a straight A* student- as all med school applicants have to be now pretty much- her teachers have been luke warm about her choosing Sheffield. One suggested she reapply post A levels 😡- they just have no idea that medicine is very very difficult and completely different to other courses. Anyhoo- thanks so much all- she is firming Sheffield with excitement and pride. Goodluck to all those talented kids-it’s a long old road and the nhs will be lucky to have them

Sorry - I didn't realise that and didn't mean to be teaching you to suck eggs!! I also knew relatively little about current systems until dd's amazing all-9-and-A* friends applied for medicine a couple of years ago and struggled to get offers. I then tried to learn lots about it so I could help the next cohort at their school (and her friends who didn't get offers who have fortunately got them now. Although one really wanted Sheffield and didn't get that but will be going to Barts instead...)

Chilldonaldchill · 23/04/2022 16:51

And yes in my day, London generally was seen as ideal I think. I had to go to London due to having to go to the one that offered CCC 😳 but it did help with those early jobs in those days!

NoNotHimTheOtherOne · 23/04/2022 17:01

@mumsneedwine - you might be disappointed to hear that Julian Burton has been promoted and will no longer be doing admissions at Sheffield after this summer. I presume he'll still be teaching medical students, though.

mumsneedwine · 23/04/2022 17:04

@NoNotHimTheOtherOne nooooooo ! He is the nicest man. Used to help on TSR but think was told he couldn't anymore. Sheffield are so open and transparent with their process. And when my DD was interviewed at Sheffield one young lady was so upset - Julian was unbelievably kind (so if he's reading this, I think you are wonderful).
DD had them as insurance, but I'd have put them first 😊

NoNotHimTheOtherOne · 23/04/2022 17:07

Incidentally, if someone has teachers who believe Sheffield is less "prestigious" than Birmingham or Leeds they would be well advised to take no notice of anything those teachers tell them.

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