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Conservatoire applicants

122 replies

Siriusmuggle · 11/11/2021 13:11

Probably not many of us here. Just wondering who's heard from where. Mine has had an online interview for RWCMD and has one arranged for RBC. Hasn't heard from RNCM or any Londons yet. From Instagram it looks as if RNCM are doing some auditions today so does that mean it's a no? Reckons none of his mates have heard either.

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nomorehorses · 24/11/2021 09:13

DD has luckily dodged the waiting game and had an email with offer plus scholarship yesterday - less than 24hrs after her audition!

Siriusmuggle · 24/11/2021 12:09

That’s such good news

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PaddingtonPaddington · 24/11/2021 12:52

@nomorehorses great news!

DD has an offer today too

Siriusmuggle · 24/11/2021 17:21

That’s brilliant @PaddingtonPaddington

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Siriusmuggle · 30/11/2021 10:03

RAM and RNCM on consecutive days next week now. Like buses.

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nomorehorses · 30/11/2021 11:11

RAM and RCM consecutive days here too. At least then she’ll be done for a while!

londonmummy1966 · 30/11/2021 17:05

Good luck with the auditions/offers etc. Mine is at RCM (first year so feel free to ask the practical questions..

eroica · 01/12/2021 11:43

Could I ask all you knowledgeable people whether you know of any courses suitable for post-A level but pre-degree? Particularly those in Europe? DD, having said all along she isn't doing music has suddenly decided she wants to do music A level, and possibly music degree. (She plays at diploma level in first instrument, G8 for 2nd, G7 for her 3rd)
She's fairly certain not a performance degree/conservatoire type, more BA/BMus. as she's interested in composing.

She also wants to live abroad (at least for a little time). Anywhere German speaking for preference! I think she's looking to apply to university after she's finished A Levels.
I have no idea where to begin looking tbh.

Siriusmuggle · 01/12/2021 21:00

Mine is going to an offer holder day at RWCMD. Does anyone know what happens there? Over the next 7 days he’s at a total of 4 conservatoires for various auditions etc. it’s manic.

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CMeredithC · 01/12/2021 22:54

@Siriusmuggle they’re usually very similar to Open Days. He will probably meet the head of department and/or other tutors who will be speaking to them and answering questions. Presenting the programme etc. They might get to observe a class or one-to-one lesson, they always offered this at the London conservatoire I was at. It’s generally a bit more ‘detailed’ than an Open Day so he should take the chance to ask questions - especially if there are student reps around. You could also enquire about a short consultation lesson on the day, especially if he’s coming from quite far away and can’t make it there that easily again.

Good luck with the schedule - that’s intense!

@eroica I’d be happy to give you a more detailed reply towards the weekend, if that’s ok. This week I has been packed with rehearsals and concerts… 😅

eroica · 01/12/2021 23:22

That would be great- any ideas are welcome!

PaddingtonPaddington · 03/12/2021 11:51

Finally an offer from RWCMD and booked onto offer holder day! DD is thrilled.

Siriusmuggle · 03/12/2021 13:21

Great news @PaddingtonPaddington. Any idea what time it starts? Mine appears to have no idea.

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PaddingtonPaddington · 03/12/2021 18:24

@Siriusmuggle complete lack of information about times for the offer holder day, it just said they will be in touch soon with more information. It’s quite a way to travel so would be good to know asap for booking a train etc

Siriusmuggle · 03/12/2021 18:28

It’s a good 3 hour train journey so I’m planning to send him the day before to stay with family down there.

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KaycePollard · 05/12/2021 17:09

She also wants to live abroad (at least for a little time). Anywhere German speaking for preference!

A Russell Group which offer a Music degree with a year abroad option might be a solution here. And
On Open Days, ask with which universities the Music Department has exchange agreements. Birmingham might be a good start to look at, or Royal Holloway. Both have excellent Music departments.

eroica · 05/12/2021 17:45

@KaycePollard (as in William Gibson? I love those books!! I dress in KPUs every day Grin)
Thank you!

cantkeepawayforever · 05/12/2021 17:53

A friend of musical DS is currently in Germany via Music at Birmingham. Definitely one to look at.

londonmummy1966 · 06/12/2021 13:51

@eroica I looked at years abroad during the degree for DD and we identified that a lot offered them including Durham, Bristol, Newcastle, Southampton, York, Oxford Brookes, Nottingham, Birmingham and Cardiff. RAM and Guildhall do too

Some of the UK conservatoires offer a gap year programme so maybe identify some German speaking conservatoires and see what they offer? Not sure what the immigration position is though.

CMeredithC · 06/12/2021 14:56

Hi @eroica, finally have some time to answer your previous question. Apologies for the long essay ahead!

In the UK there are two main options for music studies at university level, as you know - conservatoire and a music degree at 'normal' uni.

90% of students at conservatoires are on a performance course but there are also composition courses at all the major colleges. Conservatoires are usually much more competitive because of the performance element. Doing a BA at university can give the student a lot more flexibility when choosing the performance / composition / academic balance. So there are people who study a 'purely' academic music degree in the UK, or a mix of all the above.

In Europe there is no such thing as a music degree at a normal university, at least not in the countries I am familiar with. I have lived, studied and/or worked in various countries in Central (German-speaking), Western (NL-BE) and Southern (Spain, Italy, Portugal) Europe and have many colleagues from all over the continent, so these are the countries I know about.

To study music in these countries, you must go to a conservatoire or a specialist music college within a larger university. BUT - this doesn't mean they're all performance-based.

Most, if not all, colleges will offer a composition course. Sometimes this is combined with performance, with conducting, a standalone specialism, or you can study academic courses at a local uni alongside it.

It is worth identifying a few institutions in each country that your DD can look into, and see what courses they offer and whether there is any pathway she'd be interested in. I recommend looking at:

Austria - Mozarteum, MDW Vienna, Kunstuniversität Graz
Germany - there are literally dozens of options. Have a look at the two Berlin schools to compare the difference between a conservatoire (HfM Hanns Eisler) and multi-arts university (UdK Berlin). But you can find these in any small city really - called 'Hochschule' for music/arts - and there will be less competitive ones for students who didn't decide until later on that they wanted to give music a go.
Switzerland - HEMU Geneva or Lausanne, HdK Zürich, FHNW

Some of the above will also offer teaching degrees specialising in composition and/or music theory.

The Netherlands has a great music degree offering and you can study in English instead of Dutch. Have a look at the Royal Conservatoire The Hague, Codarts, Amsterdam... Most of the NL schools also offer a double degree in music and another 'normal' course at the local uni.

The son of a friend is currently at The Hague on the pre-college course. You can find these in some schools, it's a one-year course where they get you ready for Bachelor auditions if you're not at that level yet. The Hague have/used to have a Composition, Sonology and Art Science prep course as well for example.

Some UK conservatoires also have 1-year foundation courses which are a good orientation tool to see if she'd like to continue with music for the whole 3/4 years or not. I had many friends on these courses when I was in London.

Colleges like Codarts, UdK Berlin, Zürich or the Trinity Laban Conservatoire in London are multi-arts universities which means you are not 'confined' to a classical music institution which offers little else for those who don't want to go down the performance route. There are a multitude of opportunities to collaborate with the other departments (dance, design, drama, sonology, composition...) or take modules in other specialisms.

German-speaking countries require a B2 in German for university, so if she were to study at a 'normal' uni she'd need to be pretty fluent by the time she started her degree. Music unis and conservatoires, however, give you 1 or 2 semesters to get up-to-speed, and you can start with the more practical subjects and catch up on academics once you get your language certificate, it's very flexible.

And as others have said, studying at a UK university and applying for a year abroad is also a good option, if going abroad straight away isn't doable. Some UK conservatoires are still offering a term abroad through the 'Erasmus' scheme. The institution I'm at now, in Europe, still has RAM and Guildhall as partner centers.

If your DD is interested in composition, she should look at those courses in the UK or any other countries she might like to live in. Composition auditions are normally a portfolio submission of her most representative works, so it's something she should already be thinking of during her A levels. Have a look at foundation / pre-bachelor courses as an introduction to music college, and whether they could be a good fit for her.

Music is a daunting but exciting field. It's also super international and there will be students from everywhere at all European conservatoires. It's less encouraged in the UK compared to the continent, but most music kids are used to starting off close to home and then moving half-way through their bachelor to a different conservatoire in another country, doing a year abroad, redoing a course at another college...

CMeredithC · 06/12/2021 14:58

For example this is the composition offer at Rotterdam. They choose between focusing on classical, jazz and arranging/ film, or electronic composition.

www.codarts.nl/en/composition/

CMeredithC · 06/12/2021 15:00

And an example of the different music courses offered by a German-speaking college such as Graz.

Conservatoire applicants
KaycePollard · 06/12/2021 17:58

through the 'Erasmus' scheme

FYI, it's now called the Turing scheme.

KaycePollard · 06/12/2021 21:58

Just so you know what to look for/ask for.

And do ask about specific exchange departments; we handpick the departments we send students to and we’ve generally visited had their staff come to us, and looked at the programme specifically. Our Erasmus/Turing exchanges are not random for my disciple (not music but some creative elements).

Siriusmuggle · 07/12/2021 11:23

RAM & RNCM done. Hopefully we’ll hear soon. Still nothing from RCM or trinity. It’d be nice to get any rejections soon so that he can make his choice.

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