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Best unis for Engineering?

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printmeanicephoto · 01/11/2021 22:32

Hi - my son has applied to Cambridge for Engineering as his first choice for 2022 entry, but as his chances of getting in are slim (1 in 7 approx I believe), he's exploring other options (General Eng or Mechanical Eng).

As he's a quiet lad who prefers not to be in the middle of busy action, he's not too keen on the idea of the obvious London choices (Imperial, UCL etc). He's a keen road cyclist and runner so access to green spaces and countryside whilst studying will be important to him (as will be applying to good unis with reputable engineering departments with good links to industry). We live in the north of England, but are also considering looking uk wide.

Anyone got any Engineering insights as to which unis may suit? We're trying to draw up a shortlist of a couple to visit before Christmas but are failing to move forward much on this. Any help much appreciated!

Thanks!

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hellsbells99 · 06/11/2021 17:22

@printmeanicephoto you asked about Leeds. My DD finished her 4 year MEng there last year. The facilities are great and the course is a good mixture between theory and practical.

TizerorFizz · 06/11/2021 18:26

@NotMeNoNo
Just looking at stats, around 5% of engineering grads don’t get jobs and a further 10% are in non grad rules. I think that was from HESA. There are always some who are not very employable!

It’s always interesting in these discussions that those who don’t employ engineers know more about employability than those who do. Even to the point of ridiculing those who have years of experience and a hugely successful track record. I agree that doing the specialist degree is best for the vast majority.

The table I posted showed the “ranking” of engineering degrees is very RG biased. But that doesn’t mean much when you take the various disciplines into account. Way more students take these courses and excellent teaching abounds. The talk in here is ever only about Cambridge and Imperial. They have their place but are simply not where the majority of engineers can go! So “best” is often somewhere you can actually get into!

ErrolTheDragon · 06/11/2021 18:43

The talk in here is ever only about Cambridge and Imperial. They have their place but are simply not where the majority of engineers can go! So “best” is often somewhere you can actually get into!

There are loads of other unis being talked about positively on this thread. Confused there was another recently by someone whose DS had lower predicted grades - the suggestions were all commensurate with that.

You're absolutely right of course that 'So “best” is often somewhere you can actually get into!' - and also somewhere you're likely to thrive. Smile

Parker231 · 06/11/2021 18:50

DS did his engineering degree at Warwick (needed three A’s). He recently finished his masters, also at Warwick. He is now working in the Netherlands- environmental engineering relating to land reclamation.

NameChangeADHD · 06/11/2021 19:00

Loughborough sounds like it would suit him

lljkk · 06/11/2021 19:58

Green space around Loughborough isn't great. I lived there a while. We are cyclists, I go running, too. Canal path & Charnwood are runnable, there were gangs of runners around campus every night, but the town is hemmed in by busy roads, it is a fairly congested area for cyclists.

jayritchie · 06/11/2021 21:52

@ErrolTheDragon

An issue for a lot of strong engineering candidates is that if they apply to Cambridge, Imperial and Bristol they may well end up with no offers from those three. Its far safer to have 2 other great options (lets say Southampton and Sheffield for example) to give them a choice of offers.

Yes....except I'd have thought Bristol is more in the same ballpark as the latter two (and eg Manchester) than the first two? (I don't know... my views on Bristol may be biased because the open day presentation and lab tours were weirdly unimpressive so it didn't make DDs shortlist but that was EEE not Mech and a few years ago so mere anecdata)

I've noticed from friends children and internet posted that mechanical eng at Bristol seems to be an unusual course in that top A level applicants either don't receive offers of get offers for different courses (engineering maths or electro mech something or other).

Not sure why? A strange demographic effect? Southern upper middle class kids all apply?

I'm sure Bristol has an excellent course but not sure its regarded differently to a number of other universities where this isn't a problem.

bruffin · 07/11/2021 18:03

DS got an alternative offer from Bristol, it was some sort of mathematics in engineering degree. They also gave him a contextual offer

ErrolTheDragon · 07/11/2021 18:09

How odd. Sounds like Bristol perhaps ought to reconfigure their courses so that students can choose some of those more specialised options later.

EmmaGrundyForPM · 07/11/2021 18:44

@bruffin

DS got an alternative offer from Bristol, it was some sort of mathematics in engineering degree. They also gave him a contextual offer
yes, my ds too. He applied for Mech Eng but only got an offer for a weird sounding hybrid course. He ended up going to Nottingham Uni and loving it
TizerorFizz · 07/11/2021 19:45

Hybrid (weird?) courses are called general engineering elsewhere! As long as the course is accredited and you end up being able to go for membership of an engineering institution it won’t matter too much in the long run. Often these hybrid courses are in response to industry requirements (or the assumption that grads don’t really want to be engineers at all of course - says the cynic in me.) It’s a bit like environmental science. It started off as Geography - and still is at Oxford! Courses evolve. If it’s not what you want, of course other universities are more appealing. I do think Bristol has long appealed to people in the south but one suspects they don’t give offers based on this! It’s a somewhat ridiculous notion. Maybe some DC don’t quite match up to others for a place on a very competitive course. No one thinks they deserve a place on a medical course or at Oxbridge without competition and sometimes disappointment. It happens.

@ErrolTheDragon
I stand by what I said. Cambridge and Imperial always come up on these threads because they link in closely to league tables and the narrow experience of contributors. Other universities are great and should be valued.

AvocadoPlant · 07/11/2021 21:00

@TizerorFizz engineering maths at Bristol is definitely not an engineering degree accredited by the the professional bodies.
Some universities eg Warwick appear in the General Engineering tables as they have too few students graduating with a particular style engineering degree to appear in the other league tables. My DS was one of only 2 students in his year to graduate with MEng in Mechanical and Manufacturing Engineering with a year in industry, and that’s because he started in the mech eng stream then specialised as his interest in manufacturing processes developed.

TizerorFizz · 07/11/2021 21:22

I was actually responding to @EmmaGrundyForPM who talked about a hybrid course. I did say any other course should be accredited. I didn’t specifically comment on engineering maths (why anyone would specialise in this at undergrad level is a mystery). However you have to recognise not all degrees are aimed at engineers. Some are more for mathematicians!

Sunndowne · 07/11/2021 21:22

Southampton- DS had positive experience. Good grad. Job.

TizerorFizz · 07/11/2021 21:28

Engineering maths MEng IS accredited at Bristol. Not sure where you looked but it is. You can progress to CEng with this degree. Bristol isn’t the sort of university to not get a degree accredited and it’s also accredited by the Institute of Mathematicians. .

Ekofisk · 07/11/2021 21:40

@TizerorFizz

Engineering maths MEng IS accredited at Bristol. Not sure where you looked but it is. You can progress to CEng with this degree. Bristol isn’t the sort of university to not get a degree accredited and it’s also accredited by the Institute of Mathematicians. .
But if you specifically applied for mech eng, why would you want to do engineering maths instead?
AvocadoPlant · 07/11/2021 21:46

Apologies!! When my Godson did this course a few years ago it wasn’t recognised by any engineering bodies, and was a concern for his parents as they hadn’t realised this. Looks like Bristol either tweaked the course or applied for it to be recognised.

TizerorFizz · 08/11/2021 08:45

@Ekofisk
I’m not saying they would want to. However lots of universities with oversubscribed courses ask DC if they will move to other courses. Bristol might even make decisions based on PS when choices have to be made. There are other perfectly good alternative mechanical engineering courses in this country. Applicants will have applied elsewhere too.

I don’t see why there has to be an attack on young people living in the SE who want this course at Bristol. It’s even more difficult to get into Imperial or Cambridge. Do we think their entry decisions are wrong when they don’t take DC? In addition some young people would be open to looking at another course. As we see time and time again in these discussions, some young people don’t know what type of engineering they want and huge numbers of them don’t become engineers at all. So doing the Bristol course maybe gets the most interested engineers on the engineering course and others on a more appropriate course. You never know, the mechanical engineers might just become engineers and not work in financial services!

Ekofisk · 08/11/2021 09:10

@TizerorFizz

My point was more why would students that had made a decision to study mechanical engineering then be offered an applied maths / computing course instead? They are very different courses.

I can’t see how it’s equivalent to Imperial or Cambridge declining to make an offer. I doubt either of those institutions rejects you for the course you applied for but instead makes an offer for one that you didn’t.

Why do you think it’s only “young people in the SE” that apply to these universities?

bruffin · 08/11/2021 11:18

But if you specifically applied for mech eng, why would you want to do engineering maths instead?
Its pretty simplistic. Bristol are over subscribed in Mech eng and the Mathmatic in engineering is under subscribed. There may be some students who might be interested. Its not like Mech eng isnt a maths based course.
Ds was interested enough to go along to the interview and was given an offer. It was his insurance. Unfortunately he didnt get the grades needed that year.
He retook an A level and got next year got into Surrey and realised this was not what he wanted to do so dropped out

Needmoresleep · 08/11/2021 11:22

I am struggling with some of the posts.

On a thread titled "best Unis for engineering", and specifically asking for alternatives to Cambridge and Imperial, we are being scolded for mentioning Cambridge and Imperial.

As far as I can see, OPs questions has been answered with a number of alternatives (Errol and I both came up with Manchester, Sheffield and Southampton as the Universities that were often picked by A* applicants when they did not get Cambridge and did not want London) and a suggestion that other Universities were often strong in specialised areas.

What I find odd is that we are being chided for "the narrow experience of contributors", yet Tizerorfizz fails to mention whether she herself, or her DC, studied engineering.

Surely the point of MN is that it is a collection of individual experiences. Errol's DD seems to have really enjoyed her time at Cambridge, and mine had a very worthwhile and intellectually challenging year at Imperial. Equally, an outdoorsy friend of DS had no regrets about choosing Sheffield. Whilst other contributors have made equally valid and interesting suggestions and observations.

Long long ago, when mine were still in their teens, there was a similar poster who used to trash Imperial, on the basis that her daughter had studied in London and hated it. It then transpired that her daughter had studied fashion and lived in some grotty, and surprisingly expensive, student accommodation way out from the centre. It seemed important then to give an alternative view. Not all students, will love Cambridge, or Southampton, or Sheffield, or Imperial, or Bath or wherever. However constructive observations should, at minimum, help applicants identify the questions they should be asking, and perhaps give them ideas for courses they had not previously considered.

Aroundtheworldin80moves · 08/11/2021 12:07

Its nearly 20 years ago... but I chose Sheffield over Imperial (got offers from both) simply for quality of life. I knew I would struggle to afford to live in London, didn't want to live at home and over all, Sheffield was a better bet for me. Dont regret it.

Ekofisk · 08/11/2021 13:21

bruffin I get that it’s a uni trying to fill places on an undersubscribed course. But it’s very different from mech eng, it’s essentially a maths course not an engineering course.

bruffin · 08/11/2021 13:42

Ekofisk
But it is an engineering course in the engineering department , engineering courses are very maths based anyway
"The Institution of Engineering and Technology (IET) on behalf of the Engineering Council for the purposes of fully meeting the academic requirement for registration as an Incorporated Engineer and partially meeting the academic requirement for registration as a Chartered Engineer."

They may just attract someone who wasnt really aware of the course and once they have been to the interview might just find it a good alternative because they like maths application in engineering.

Ekofisk · 08/11/2021 14:19

It’s way more maths than engineering, much more aimed at modelling, coding and stats than hands on engineering. I can see that it’s IET certified, and I’ve worked with enough modellers in engineering to see its value and application. If you like the maths / modelling side of things then it could well be the course for you.

But personally I think if someone knows that they want to do the practical side of engineering design then it’s unlikely to tick those boxes.