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DC at Scottish uni anyone?

52 replies

ifonly4 · 25/09/2020 15:20

Just wondering how they and you are?

DD has been finding the lack of socialising hard (she doesn't like being shut away from others generally and it's becoming a concern for her in general), ie it's limited as they're being careful. She's been on about coming back home to study (everything is online) and has even asked if there are any hours back home where she worked up until a week ago. Worried that she's going to feel trapped if she can't return home where she'll stay for the next few months. Hoping the student restrictions can really help in the next 2/3 weeks.

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IndigoApple · 27/09/2020 12:38

I didn't want this to go unanswered so bumping this for you. My DD is at uni in Scotland although going into 3rd year, is your DD a fresher?

I feel distraught for the new students, specially as DD had such a good experience in first year. However it's not great for any years. DD is doing a science degree so should be spending a lot of time in the labs this year. Watching someone doing it online is no substitute. She is also having problems with flatmates wanting to move out of the flat, and some friends have lost jobs as they work in student pubs so obviously no work for them if students not allowed to go.

It might be worth posting on scotsnet as well.

Uni2020 · 27/09/2020 12:53

My dd is a fresher at a Scottish Uni. She only started there this weekend so we're not sure yet how much of her studies will be online vs face to face. I'm hoping this early clampdown will mean cases go down and restrictions can be eased again soo .

readsalotgirl63 · 27/09/2020 13:15

Dd is in final year and coping OK at the moment. Have to say her first year was not problem free - lots of turnover in her flat and she made firmer friends with the girls in the flat upstairs.
She is a little frustrated that she has been impacted as she could see large groups of fresher's not socially distancing and clearly organising parties (buying lots of beer in supermarket).
I'm a little surprised that many students were expecting a "normal" experience - these are clearly not "normal" times.
Hopefully things will calm down soon and they will all be busy studying !!

MarchingFrogs · 27/09/2020 14:42

Anyone with DC at Edinburgh, I was intrigued by this comment on a news site:

Insp Hughes said officers had broken up a number of small parties of five to seven students with people who were "clearly not from the same household".

I mean, I'm sure it was something as simple as, because they were all in flats with only 3 rooms, but it did make me wonder initially, along what lines Edinburgh allocates its accommodation? A friend of mine from school went to Edinburgh, but lived out when I visited her, so have no idea whether her flat in halls had been reserved for e.g. 'girls with long red curly hair', or any other of her possible attributes.

ClerkMaxwell · 27/09/2020 14:50

DS2 final year at Glasgow. Commutes in from home. Hasn't been near the uni since a last hurrah with his classmates in the union the night before lockdown in March. He's doing fine. Working on his dissertation and has a part time job. He had 3 lectures and a small group meeting online last week so online provision for his subject seems up to speed. He plays an organised sport with some of his friends so that's back on even if pub/restaurant/cafe visits are not. Ban extends to all students this weekend even the home ones. Workmates teasing him that he won't be able to go out for an after work drink with them.

DD a fresher in Edinburgh. Loving the city and her course so far. She's been lucky as is in a 6-person flat in a small self catering halls near the Meadows with no common room so not the same issues as the big halls.. Enjoying socialising with her flatmates whom she likes. Does an outdoor sport so has made friends thru it as well. Has also found a part-time job and an internship (my youngest is a big joiner in) Only gripe is wifi in her halls. Fine for watching recorded stuff but rubbish for calls particularly video so not sure how good it will be when tutorials start. I

ClerkMaxwell · 27/09/2020 15:05

@MarchingFrogs I only know this year but Edinburgh asked DD to choose five options she would be happy with. No ranking within the 5 and no questionnaire about herself or preferences other than whether she would be happy with a mixed sex flat. They said they mix up nationalities and courses. She's in a 6 girl flat - 2 internationals, one RUK and Scottish. Entire block only has 108 students.

Pollock has a bit of reputation (not sure entirely justified) so she didn't choose any options in the complex. Neither did any of the other 4 people from her school also at Edinburgh.

AChickenCalledDaal · 27/09/2020 19:32

My eldest is a fresher in Scotland. They've had some ups and downs and I've been worrying about the isolation. But things seem to have turned a bit of a corner this weekend. They seem to be finding their feet and fairly philosophical about the restrictions. However, they are also generally quite keen on a quiet life so probably finding it easier than some, now the initial shock to the system is wearing off.

GaribaldiGirl · 27/09/2020 19:48

@ClerkMaxwell - what is Pollock’s reputation? I’m intrigued.
My daughter is there, or should say WAS there till she came home yesterday.
OP - my daughter found it a bit miserable with the lack of socialising and rules and is doing it online from home until things improve Covid wise. Quite a few doing the same now.

TheNavigator · 27/09/2020 19:54

My youngest is a fresher. We live in a teeny back water village, so as far as they are concerned, even on lockdown there is more going on than back home. The novelty of being able to walk to shops and a bus more than once a day is keeping them happy.

ClerkMaxwell · 27/09/2020 20:41

@GaribaldiGirl. Sorry your DD didn't have the greatest start. Hopefully things will settle and she can return.

Amongst Scottish state school students there is a perception that Pollock is not for them mainly because of the Pollock TV expose on Youtube (and I think the Tab) giving the impression that it is full of rich, entitled kids from London and the South East who all know each other from school. I bet this only applies to a few blocks but was enough for all DDs year not to put Pollock on their 5 picks.

jumpher · 28/09/2020 08:12

My DD is in Edinburgh and has been having to isolate due to an outbreak in her halls. She is doing ok as she gets on well with her flatmates however they all feel annoyed that they were encouraged to come for blended learning and everything is pre-recorded lectures and no face to face. They feel students should have been told to stay at home 1st semester at least as they are getting blamed for the situation. It's awful her being so far away and not knowing when I can see her again.

LIZS · 28/09/2020 08:22

Hi @ifonly4 dd is up in Edinburgh (finally!) . Not loving the limitations or catering arrangements but coping ok. Her hall (but different block) was in the midst of Friday night's debacle reported by bbc and she spent the night worrying about imminent lockdown while many around her fled home or to accommodation and hotels elsewhere. Coming home is not an option open to her atm so she plans to make the best of it along with several international students. She has one f2f class a week, rest either recorded or "live" online.

starfish4 · 28/09/2020 08:44

Regarding Pollock Halls, many students will come from families with more money as it's the most expensive catered accommodation. Having said that, if you're willing to share a room it then becomes the cheapest catered accommodation. DD shared a room there and had a fantastic time. I guess there are parties if you know where to go, but she'd usually just sit around chatting over chocolate, sometimes going to a cafe, brunch, meal out or pub.

She met her current flatmates the first week, finding it hard but helps having genuine friends.

Gettingthroughtheweek · 28/09/2020 09:28

My DS is in year 2 at Edinburgh. He’s quite happy at the moment - two hours only face to face but the online language classes seem good. Some gripes about poor organisation - only four hourra synchronous teaching a week and they manage to put the two hours face to face each back to back with the two hours of live online, making it physically impossible to return to his room in time to log on - but hopefully will be sorted out. He’s disappointed they can’t do his main extra curricular (music) but prefers being away with flat mates than more months at home. He did avoid Pollock last year because of its reputation (he’s English state school). Overall he’s making the best of it because it’s not as if there’s a good alternative to where things are now .... and compared to DS2 who has just graduated with a specialised degree into an industry which is currently illegal, he’s better off studying ....

TheDrsDocMartens · 28/09/2020 09:37

Dd2 is in Edinburgh but not at uni of Edinburgh. She’s mainly mixing with her flat as she wasn’t sure about the rules but not bothered enough to check!
Happy enough but she’s not a partier anyway!

S00LA · 28/09/2020 09:50

My DD is in A flat in Dundee and she’s happy. She socialises with her flatmates and they do lots of outdoor Activities and sports as the weather has been good.

All the Dundee university courses are blended learning,

Of course it’s a shame they can’t have parties but that’s the same if they has stayed at home.

And if someone in their household gets a positive Covid test then they all have to self isolate - the same as at home.

Of course freshers week won’t be the same, which is a shame for them.

But there’s more to university Life than partying and Getting pissed in the pub every night. They couldn’t do that at home anyway - it’s not the university stopping them, it’s Covid.

They just need to work harder at doing the things they CAN do. Like everyone else really.

LIZS · 28/09/2020 13:14

Most of dd's floor seem to have returned again. Her ndn had a visit from security after reports of a group in his room. Another case in a different block reported so fears of lockdown have returned. Dd's hall seems a mixture of public school, overseas students and those more like her.

Stopyourhavering64 · 28/09/2020 15:13

Ds is final year at Dundee and only sharing with one other guy also on his course. Actually going to use the lack of socialising opportunities to crack on with his dissertation- he does have some f2f tutorials
...however he is planning on camping in the highlands at some point in next week or so while he still can
( will of course be maintaining socially distancing)

ClerkMaxwell · 28/09/2020 15:59

@LIZS: where did your DDs floor go at the weekend? I thought going home or into some one else's home in Scotland was a big no no unless you were going home for the forseeable (like @GaribaldiGirl DD).

CharlieParley · 28/09/2020 15:59

DC is a fresher at Edinburgh University. We were very concerned about the impact of the unavoidable isolation on mental health after just one week, even before the draconian measures by the Scottish Government came in. That first week was bad, the second would have been better, had it not been for the ban on home visits. The deterioration in mental health for a child without any prior issues was frightening to witness. DC came home the first weekend and the effect was profound - just being able to talk through the issues face to face helped. So the ban had a huge negative impact on DC - and that was even before suffering its consequences.

But the Scottish Government published new guidance for students last night, which makes it clear they can return home for visits if there are wellbeing reasons, they can move back home, and the ban on visiting hospitality venues was not a legal restriction. Neither is locking down entire halls.

I never expected that we'd be in such a situation, especially since the government sent all the students home at a time when Covid was ripping through the student population and case numbers were much higher than now. (We believe our oldest, then in fourth year, had Covid just prior to the lockdown. No tests to be had, but every Covid symptom present, including the high temperature and a quite distinct cough we'd never heard before. The whole friendship group, all training partners and flatmates fell ill at the same time with the same thing.)

I'm afraid I fell for the assurances that both university premises as well as accommodation would be safe. We got loads of emails, all the online comms were all about how university wouldn't let the students come if it wasn't safe, and everything they were doing to make it safe. Feel like an idiot now truth be told.

There's absolutely nothing we can see in DC's halls that would make it safe btw. No hand sanitiser when you come in, so they're all touching things in the stairwells and hallways, no one way systems, even though they could (at least for the entrances to street level). The whole place smells musty, windows can be opened max 5 inches, no window in the bathroom, mould clearly a problem, so ventilation, which is so important right now when people are mixing indoors, is insufficient.

And so much for "blended" learning! There's just one face-to-face tutorial (everything else has been online so far. Including Fresher's Week events). Still do not know if there'll be more face-to-face teaching. So why not keep them all home?

Oh and the government was advised to test students before bringing them on campus, but they're so prejudiced against them, they rejected it. Argued this would be safer.

Uni2020 · 28/09/2020 16:04

My dd only arrived at Edinburgh this weekend and has been told today that her wing has to isolate for 14 days! She doesn't know anyone, she has to eat alone, she's going to struggle with this I fear.

CharlieParley · 28/09/2020 16:20

@Uni2020

My dd only arrived at Edinburgh this weekend and has been told today that her wing has to isolate for 14 days! She doesn't know anyone, she has to eat alone, she's going to struggle with this I fear.
Unless she arrived from a country on the quarantine list, this is not a legal requirement if none of her flatmates have to self-isolate. Aamer Anwar quite rightly called such broad lockdowns unlawful imprisonment in a BBC interview yesterday.
CharlieParley · 28/09/2020 16:56

I realise it's very hard to deal with, and students certainly don't want to go up against their university in their first week.

She can contact the students' union though and UCU and enquire what the basis is of that requirement.

Unlike England, which brought in New powers for local authorities which may, under certain conditions and under specific circumstances impose and enforce such special lockdowns from now on, no such powers have been granted to local authorities in Scotland. Let alone universities.

They cannot stop students from doing things that are legal for all other people. Scotland's self-isolation legal regulations are here, but the gist of it is that only people who

-have Covid symptoms
-are getting tested
-tested positive
-members of their household

as well as those who

-are told by track and trace they were a close contact of someone who is being tested or who has tested positive

have to self-isolate.

The university cannot circumvent these regulations by locking down entire halls which may, as in the case of your daughter include recent arrivals who probably didn't have any close contacts with an infected person at all.

Anyone who is self-isolating because a close contact or a member of their household has symptoms or been tested, can leave self-isolation as soon as the other person receives a negative test result.

Uni2020 · 28/09/2020 17:01

She's from within the UK and it's not her specifically that has to isolate, but her wing of her accommodation hall as there is at least one student with Covid symptoms. Her entire wing hit the email this morning! It's just bad luck that she arrived exactly when they're having to lock down. I guess she could come home again?

Uni2020 · 28/09/2020 17:03

Sorry received (not hit) Blush