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University life for 'freshers' (2019/20) - first year campus life suspended, sitting out/surviving the pandemic and staying on top of studying [Edited by MNHQ at OP's request]

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NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 25/03/2020 19:04

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bigTillyMint · 24/04/2020 19:15

Sadly if it’s private, I think they/we will still have to pay.

juicy0 · 24/04/2020 19:30

DD has signed a lease in a house share with three others so I'm expecting to have to pay that from August regardless of what happens.
I really hope that they are able to return to lectures/lab work in September with some new measures in place regarding social distancing. It's a shame that the whole campus is unlikely to be functioning as normal

VanCleefArpels · 25/04/2020 09:18

I think there are ways that campuses can open while doing distancing:

Lectures and seminars still online
Labs - space students out, maybe have to do “shifts”
Libraries - limit numbers, block off every other desk, maybe limit sessions by time to allow access for more people, open 24/7 if they are not already
Cafes/ bars - do takeout only

Obviously there will be some courses which can’t operate in a practical way especially those with placements / interaction with the public but on the whole I’m confident the learning can happen. What will be missing will be the sports, clubs, bars etc which make up so much of the student experience. It will be this that may put off new first years. For our lot I suspect they will manage without - the excitement of living in proper houses will hopefully make up for it!

CompleteBarstool · 25/04/2020 10:41

How would a course like Physio work?

A large chunk of time is spent in small groups "hands on" exploring joints, practising on each other etc.

Benjispruce · 25/04/2020 11:05

DD said she’s had emails from Durham saying that they are planning to do face to face teaching in September but have asked lecturers to prepare online material. She’s worried this is the start of the drip feed of bad news. She was talking yesterday about taking a year out if it’s all online. I reminded her that she has a contract on a house that I am guarantor for....

Benjispruce · 25/04/2020 11:07

A friend of mine has a DC studying architecture and is about to start 3rd year. She’s unwilling to pay £9k if she doesn’t have access to workshops and equipment.

VanCleefArpels · 25/04/2020 11:13

@CompleteBarstool that’s the sort of course I was referring to which just can’t practically be done “distantly”

bigTillyMint · 26/04/2020 10:19

@Benjispruce Shock at thinking of taking a year out. DS hasn’t mentioned that and I don’t think he’d want to be stuck here for a year.... I hope Grin

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 26/04/2020 10:30

The thing is that things might not be any better in a year. One would like to hope so but I wouldn't be taking anything for granted any more....

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HoldMyLobster · 26/04/2020 20:01

DD's college has announced that their summer classes will be online unless they are the sort of classes that need to be done in a lab, or hands on, etc.

That way the students who need to be on campus can do so and still have space to be socially distancing.

Still waiting to hear from her college about next academic year, but quite a lot of US colleges have already committing to opening up for classes on campus in August.

HoldMyLobster · 26/04/2020 21:04

www.nytimes.com/2020/04/26/opinion/coronavirus-colleges-universities.html

From the article...

"Testing is an absolute prerequisite. All campuses must be able to conduct rapid testing for the coronavirus for all students, when they first arrive on campus and at regular intervals throughout the year. Testing only those with symptoms will not be sufficient. We now know that many people who have the disease are asymptomatic. Regular testing is the only way to prevent the disease from spreading silently through dormitories and classrooms.

Traditional contact tracing is not sufficient on a college campus, where students may not know who they sat next to in a lecture or attended a party with. Digital technology can help. Several states are working to adapt mobile apps created by private companies to trace the spread of disease, and colleges and universities can play a role by collaborating with their state health departments and rolling out tracing technology on their campuses.

Testing and tracing will be useful only if students who are ill or who have been exposed to the virus can be separated from others. Traditional dormitories with shared bedrooms and bathrooms are not adequate. Setting aside appropriate spaces for isolation and quarantine (e.g. hotel rooms) may be costly, but necessary. It will also be necessary to ensure that students abide by the rigorous requirements of isolation and quarantine.

Aggressive testing, technology-enabled contact tracing and requirements for isolation and quarantine are likely to raise concerns about threats to civil liberty, an ideal that is rightly prized on college campuses. Administrators, faculty and students will have to grapple with whether the benefits of a heavy-handed approach to public health are worth it. In my view, if this is what it takes to safely reopen our campuses, and provided that students’ privacy is scrupulously protected, it is worthwhile.

Our students will have to understand that until a vaccine is developed, campus life will be different. Students and employees may have to wear masks on campus. Large lecture classes may remain online even after campuses open. Traditional aspects of collegiate life — athletic competitions, concerts and yes, parties — may occur, but in much different fashions. Imagine athletics events taking place in empty stadiums, recital halls with patrons spaced rows apart and virtual social activities replacing parties.

But students will still benefit from all that makes in-person education so valuable: the fierce intellectual debates that just aren’t the same on Zoom, the research opportunities in university laboratories and libraries and the personal interactions among students with different perspectives and life experiences.

Taking these necessary steps will be difficult and costly, and it will force institutions to innovate as we have never done before. But colleges and universities are up to the challenge. Campuses were among the first to shutter during the Covid-19 pandemic. The rapid response that occurred across the country stemmed from our concern for the health of our students and communities, and our recognition that college campuses pose special challenges for addressing infectious disease."

NewModelArmyMayhem18 · 27/04/2020 08:29

There was a small article in The Sunday Times yesterday which indicated up to thirty higher education institutions may be forced to merge because of the economic fall-out of the current situation. Didn't mention any by name.

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Benjispruce · 27/04/2020 08:36

@bigTillyMint I think she was just reacting rather than seriously thinking of taking a year out. If it’s all online and everything at uni is closed, she won’t want to be paying £9k for it and I agree.

Benjispruce · 27/04/2020 08:38

However, if there was something in place such as detailed in @HoldMyLobster’s article and they could otherwise go about their lives, she’d want to be there. She’s desperate for uni life. Today would have been the start of the third term for Durham.

Lilolily · 27/04/2020 08:43

My DD was sobbing at 11pm last night when the email came through saying freshers has been cancelled. She’s so excited about Uni.

Benjispruce · 27/04/2020 08:44

Oh @lilolilly that’s so sad. My DD loved Freshers. Which uni?

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/04/2020 08:44

Dd also an architecture student. No access to studios, etc. Ok for one term but if this carries on to next year (her second year) I will encourage her to interrupt for a year. I’m worried that they will get behind and that then by the time things are back to normal say in her third year there will be stuff she doesn’t know/can’t do as well and this will affect her assessments.

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/04/2020 08:45

I’m also worried that being an architecture student when we’re about to have the biggest recession ever is not the best. I read that 80% of architecture firms may go bust.

If she wanted to drop out and start something completely New such as graphic design which she nearly did I’d be delighted.

bigTillyMint · 27/04/2020 09:02

@Lilolily that’s so sad Sad

Lilolily · 27/04/2020 09:40

Lincoln. She’s gutted.

Piggywaspushed · 27/04/2020 10:00

lilo my DS is at Lincoln. It is a nice place to study and live. What is she planning on doing?

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/04/2020 10:13

What have lincoln said? That freshers week activities have been cancelled or that they’re not expecting term to start in sept? Seems a bit presumptuous either way, nobody knows yet surely what the state of things will be in sept.

Monkey2001 · 27/04/2020 12:18

@Lilolily that is very sad, it is such a strange time to be going to university.

My DS is going to St Andrews after a gap year and his email said they are planning to run their "orientation week", but I don't think many people are expecting a normal fresher experience. He is saying that as long as the academic programme runs in the autumn, he can accept the loss of the social stuff for now. What he is dreading is the possibility of having to start the course on line.

A friend who is an academic in Bristol medical school says they are expecting face-to-face teaching in the autumn. Hope she is right.

burnoutbabe · 27/04/2020 12:41

first years can defer as not started yet (or just cancel and apply again next year).
I am pretty sure second and third years can't do that, bar dropping out and then maybe no chance of continiuing in a year or twos time. So far less likely to be able to not attend, without having wasted a whole year 1.

JacobReesMogadishu · 27/04/2020 12:55

It’s actually the other way round. Universities do not have to grant a deferral to anyone who should be starting this coming sept. Prospective students can ask to defer but it’s up to the uni. Unless when they originally applied it was a deferral application.

Current students can defer (normally) much more easily. It’ll depend from uni to uni what their policy is on this and how easy the unis will be able to wriggle out of allowing a deferral if they feel they’ve got too many asking to defer.