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Investment Banking

83 replies

Trendler · 07/03/2019 19:50

DS is interested in a career in investment banking. Wants to apply to uni to do Economics (LSE, UCL and Leeds uni are all on his list). He is studying History, Ecomnomics and Maths at A Level & Further Maths AS.

Any general advice that anyone has plus also about work experience in Year 12 would be helpful. There don't seem to be many opportunities at his age for w/e in Investment Banks but he has been offered a week in the summer in a retail bank.

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MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 11:56

You are either out of date (very likely) or disengenuous (also very likely), goodbyestranger. Your strategy on MN of claiming that little information or forward planning of career paths in the most competitive fields is only going to create obstacles for other parents who might believe you. MN is supposed to be about female solidarity and sharing useful advice based on experience, not about obscuring the road for others.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 12:01

Maria I am very current thanks and my advice is useful, because it reflects what I know to be absolutely the case for high achieving students going into the field. You seem to sell some sort of service, based on your other thread about Oxbridge, so I think that will colour your posts. I really believe that not freaking students out about the steps involved is positive, not negative, and it annoys me that an enormous deal is made out of straightforward processes, to keep consultants in business - they aren't my concern.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 12:06

I sell nothing at all to young people. You need to get over yourself and stop misleading other parents. It’s highly unethical.

OKBobble · 08/03/2019 12:06

I don't think it is correct that IB internships mostly go to those that did their yr12/3 w/e experience programmes. However I do think that if they show enough interest at that stage they are likely to be applying again at uni and do take up some of the places but the majority still go to people who haven't done any IB w/e before. Indeed prior to uni and the "courting" of students by the IBs especially at their target unis some may never have even considered it. After all what 15-18 year old really knows what they might want to do and what jobs are actually out there. (yes - I know - exceptions to the rule excepted!)

I also agree with Goodbye's assertion that it obvious to people when it is a contact based piece of work experience doesn't sway things with employers going forward other than to show they knew someone in that field. However it is a good thing to do from the point of view of the pupil as they can get an idea of whether it is what they expected.
My friend's daughter did her work experience with DH in his law firm and decided it wasn't on a day to day basis what she was expecting and eventually became an actuary (which makes me wonder what she expected of law?)

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 12:25

Apologies then Maria. I mis-read the other Oxbridge thread where you seemed intent on mystifying the process and very strongly suggesting the need for expensive consultants. I think others came to the same conclusion as me!

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 12:30

Although I'm not quite sure what you mean about not selling to young people? Does that mean you sell to parents? Or advise without monetary payment? But whatever :)

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 13:04

You are intent on misreading, goodbye. If other posters do it is probably at your suggestion. And when you do that, it suggests very strongly that you get something out of misleading people.

I don’t know anything at all about all sorts of career paths. But the finance/banking/consulting thing is all around me! All rather by accident than by design in my own case but I observe young people designing their career paths in finance with meticulous precision.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 13:20

Maria the other thread was pages long before I contributed, agreeing with other posters who has gone before. So your comment doesn't really wash.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 13:24

And, to balance your experience, what I observe in possible rather larger numbers than you are highly able young people falling into investment banking because of its obvious attractions as a first graduate job, and because that's what so many of their Oxbridge peers are doing. There doesn't seem to be a whole lot of meticulous planning going on, just a move in that direction in second year. They certainly seem to have a high hit rate for landing jobs.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 13:25

In possibly rather larger numbers - mis-typed.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 13:29

I’m not at all sure why you think that my sample size is not as large as yours, goodbye.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 13:34

And as to “falling into” IB (or consulting) - the mind boggles. The recruitment processes are an obstacle course, with each obstacle requiring a different skill, not a pub crawl...

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 14:17

I used the phrase deliberately Maria. Plenty of Oxbridge students fall into competitive things. It's just how it is.

1moreRep · 08/03/2019 14:19

my dp is a banker (senior position) and has not been to uni, just worked his way up from call centres, he has one now (through work)

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 14:19

No they don’t. There is a lot of posturing about how things happen easily and effortlessly, in a rather nauseous pretence of “I’m so brilliant that I don’t have to work hard to succeed.” But that is not what is going on.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 14:24

With respect Maria, I think that all my DC know their respective peer groups rather well and certainly better than you do and are astute enough to cut through any crap. Not every single applicant lands a place of course and some will be the planning types, but many, many do without all the labour you describe. If that's not your experience then I can only assume that we're familiar with different sample groups.

goodbyestranger · 08/03/2019 14:27

There's also quite a well developed work ethic which pervades Oxford - I think very few subscribe to the 'I'm so brilliant I don't need to work' routine, because it wouldn't wash and it would piss other students off too much.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 15:35

Recruitment for competitive careers in finance/consulting requires candidates to demonstrate specific knowledge and skills. If you do not plan how to acquire that knowledge and those skills, you will not get through the recruitment process.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 15:38

And, goodbye, both our DC in finance are involved in recruitment. One is very heavily involved in recruitment for M&A at his (big name) bank. Maybe he even interviewed your DC who got an offer Wink

Needmoresleep · 08/03/2019 15:45

Oxford may be different to other Universities. LSE is stuffed full of students, a bit like OPs son, who decide they want to go into IB then work backwards.

Many of them seem to work very hard indeed to land first an internship and then a job. Lots of networking breakfasts, appointments with the careers office, plenty of multi stage applications, careful selection of courses to make sure you land the first.

It may be they have to try harder because they are not Oxbridge. But certainly plenty are meticulous, and high aspirations seemed part of the LSE culture.

I think it is an advantage to experience IB, law or whatever high powered career ypu are aiming for even if it involves pulling strings. Not to get the job, but to gain an idea of whether this is what you really want to do with your life. One friend of DS' landed a spring internship with Goldman Sachs, which led to an offer of a full, and amazingly well paid, summer one. Unfortunately the couple of weeks convinced them that IB was the last thing they wanted to do, and they would prefer focus on getting a job in the public sector.

I dont know if it is still the case but firms like JP Morgan based in Bournemouth/Poole were offering work experience to local school children in conjunction with Bournemouth Uni. I assume similar happens elsewhere. Firms want to ensure they have the pick of the local workforce, and probably want to ensure they reflect local diversity.

But its like many MN discussions. There is an assumption that all DC are super high powered. But actually in real life people fall into things for all sorts of reasons. Some obviously will have been on a golden track through grammar/private school, Oxbridge and grad scheme. But as time goes on they will find plenty of peers who have different backgrounds.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 15:49

The recruitment processes are no different whether you are at Oxford, Cambridge, LSE, UCL etc.

Wakk · 08/03/2019 17:28

My friend's DCs who work in city banks got their jobs through knowing people.

In last couple of years too, so not outdated info.

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 17:34

Even if you know people (and tbh we know so many it’s unreal), you still have to go through the recruitment process and perform. Yes, it helps to know people in order to stand out - networking in your own generation is crucial - but that only gets you as far as the assessment.

Needmoresleep · 08/03/2019 18:02

Maria, understood. However I was just pointing out that whilst Oxford graduates may leave decisions late, at LSE kids seemed meticulous in their preparation. Presumably because they had chosen their degrees with IB in mind. (Ie I was confiming your assertion upthread, though acknowledging Strangers expertise on things Oxbridge.)

MariaNovella · 08/03/2019 18:26

Yes, needmoresleep - our DC tell us that LSE has fantastic careers’ support.

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