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2nd year uni (starting 2018)

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HSMMaCM · 04/07/2018 18:15

The old thread seems to have filled up!

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EcclesThePeacock · 07/03/2019 19:04

Btw, I'm ErrolTheDragon disguised in Archers 100th thread feathers.

Horsemad · 14/03/2019 18:30

Help needed on student lets please! 🙂

DS has just sent me his agreement, 4/5 have already signed. Apparently once he signs, the agency send us the guarantor forms.
DS said he is going to sign it whether or not we think it's a good agreement - if he does sign (before we've signed a guarantor agreement), does anyone know if that would be legally binding?

The email he's sent me says not to share with anyone as it contains a secure link, so I'm loathe to open it in case he then can't access it to actually sign it!

SMaCM · 14/03/2019 18:33

No idea horse, but I'm watching as we could be in the same position soon. DD reckons hers is all arranged ... but no one has signed anything 🙄.

SMaCM · 14/03/2019 18:34

And surely he'd be able to open the attachment more than once, so you should be ok to open it?

Horsemad · 14/03/2019 18:52

What a faff it all is! 🙄

bigTillyMint · 15/03/2019 02:17

Horsemad, I'm not sure DH really checked the tenancy agreements for DDs current house or the one for next year Confused
But I imagine DD would have checked it, and both the current house and next year's have been student lets long-term so I imagine the agreements are fine...

Is this his first tenancy? I think NMS might have the best advice as she knows quite a bit about landlords/tenants.

Xenia · 15/03/2019 07:31

You personally are not bound by a guarantee until you sign it although if your child has signed the tenancy undertaking to produce a guarantor and then the guarantor is not found then your child is the one in legal trouble. I haven't been guarantor for my children (their father has been guarantor and I pay the rent for them in full ) so I am not ure of the sequence of events but of ther two (twins separate houses) year 2 and two year 3 tenancies I have only been sent one of them - 1 of the 4 which is annoying as I would have liked to check them; they just don't send them to me.They know I would want them to download them, save them and ideally print them out not just have some weblink with password which might expire.

Sometimes it is not easy for them as all their friends are rushing to sign and "everyone else" is happy with it all (so they don't want to be that one with the awkward parent wanting to read it). I still think it would be sensible if they showed it to me first. Anyway that's the last one - they both signed year 3 contracts already and next year is their final year so it won't be arising again as an issue.

New ways to sign contracts on line are fine as long as people make sure they have read them and kept copies. Sometimes the entire record is only available if you log in and you get locked out of logging in for some reason or other which is why I still like to keep paper copies too to be on the safe side.

Horsemad · 15/03/2019 20:14

Thanks for the advice 🙂 he hasn't signed yet as the link has expired!
His friends are already in student lets but it's his first time as he went back into halls for Yr2.

We will be his guarantor, just crossing fingers that nobody drops out/defaults. Hmm

Needmoresleep · 18/03/2019 09:39

Horsemad,

Don't worry about the link. Get him to phone the agency to say his guarantor has asked to see a copy of their standard tenancy agreement. Could they forward it.

Or phone them up as potential guarantor and ask the same, and asking if there are alternatives. (Often the full rent in advance will work - and it gets you out of the almost inevitable "joint and several" clause, which has guarantors potentially liable for the whole rent if the others failed to pay.)

You should ideally read it with your son along with the guide to letting they are obliged to give him. See it as a form of mentoring. An important life lesson is to read contracts before you sign them. (Right Xenia?!) You might also cover the pending list of admin, and suggest that before everyone gets caught up in exams and post exam parties they spend an evening in Spoons and allocate rooms (less rent for the smallest room and more for the largest - if so it needs to be in the tenancy agreements), admin and moving in procedures.

Moving in. Have someone around who can collect keys (if tenancy starts on a Saturday, check the agency is open then - DDs flat got caught out!), who can be relied on to go through the inventory carefully and send a clear email back listing discrepancies, with photos and having tested the boiler, washing machine, shower etc. And double check meter readings. First time round, and there is a good case for a parent to do some mentoring. My theory is a good but reasonable email sends an important signal to the landlord that tenants are both responsible but will be equally organised when chasing their deposit return.

Bills. Best to agree how to do this in advance, perhaps noting who has clean credit records - which can open the door to better deals especially on broadband. Then find out who current suppliers are, especially for broadband. On the latter, Virgin do useful 12 month deals - many of the others are 18 months, but if cable is in the area but not already installed you need written Landlord permission. (Now! a subsidiary of Sky allow monthly contracts but make it far too easy to access premium services.) Even if broadband comes down the phone there can be a six week wait if switching suppliers, so it is worth sorting a couple of months early. Engineers in University towns get booked out during that tenant change week.

About a month in advance you should be able to apply for Council Tax exemption on line, and email the water authority giving your move in date. (For some reason inventory clerks never seem to read water meters so you should do this if supply is metered.)

For gas and electric, it is worth looking at something like USwitch and selecting the " 12 month fixed rate" best buy. Fixed rate means you don't worry about the flatmate who has to live in tropical conditions and makes it easier to set up a standing order.

In terms of bill splitting, there are people who will provide the service or you might take one each. DD is in a flat of four so it seemed easier for her to take them all on,. keep the Direct Debits simple, and use it as an opportunity to build a credit record. I have offered to underwrite should someone run out of money before the end of the year and she is left out of pocket. If there is a choice, go for broadband. If someone fails to pay, you just change the password and don't tell them. DD will also ask for full payment for the final three months when the third terms loans come through. Again the managing money and chasing others (though her flatmates are fine - just a bit disorganised) was a bit uncomfortable to start with (as anyone who has ever organised an office Christmas lunch will know!) but it settled down and was again useful learning.

Since I am writing an essay, another tip is to sort through the mail collection gathered in the hallway. Just putting "return to sender" on all the names that are not recognised slows the volume quite quickly, and helps prevent the address being associated with any historic bad debts. It also means that you don't lose current mail in the preexisting mountain. DD got special quodos when she took round four years of mis-delivered mail to the elderly neighbour, to the extent that he lets her use his drive to wash her car.

Other tips. Get contact names for other flat mates in case of an emergency and pin it to the wall.. and take a photo in case someone does not pay up and they come after guarantors. And leave a forwarding address or use mail redirect when you move out.

Oh, I once let to a couple of (lovely) third year students where one of the mums kept failing to sign the guarantor agreement right up until move in date. I got the agency to phone the other boy and say I would not release keys unless the terms of the offer/contract were fulfilled, and that by failing to sign she was effectively opening the door to this boy's parents having to pay her son's rent. Result!

Xenia · 18/03/2019 11:16

That sounds very good advice above and certainly read all documents before signing them. If some of my children don't want me reading their tenancy contracts (I am not a guarantor) that's up to them. I suspect the reason is none of the students want to be that one with the awkward parent refusing to do XYZ - yet sometimes those parents are just being very wise..

Haffdonga · 18/03/2019 18:07

Excellent advice, Needmore.

Unfortunately it's probably the minority of students who follow sensible boring advice like actually reading contracts. The pressure to get a good house with good people is enough to make most students willing to sign their life away with their fingers in their ears singing lalala!

Next year ds is going to share with a group of friends who are already in a house-share. He was so delighted that a room came up with them that he signed up with the agency before seeing the room or even knowing what the rent cost. He only saw his room-to-be last week and was slightly gutted that it's small and grotty. Of course it is because it's the room nobody else wanted!

SMaCM · 18/03/2019 18:54

I can imagine DD signing up in a moment of excitement. We were guarantors for her current flat, but hoping not to be next year, maybe by paying extra up front.

Xenia · 19/03/2019 08:51

I noticed for year 3 my twins were much more careful to vet somewhere (in terms of if they like it ) than year 2. Just learning from experience I suspect.
One is coming home briefly today for an appointment, which is nice. I chatted to the other one at the weekend - all well there, although they both have lots of deadlines and I have told them (as they know) to work backwards from when essays have to be in - they both are away for a week at Easter sking and the other goes very soon after that to his subject's field trip which I think is abroad so those 2 weeks for him will be written off. in fact if they can do everything except summer exam revision before Easter holidays that would be a good plan.

brizzlemint · 19/03/2019 19:33

Landlord problems here - one of DD's flatmates is moving out at the end of the year and took a call from the energy company about a Smart Meter which has now been fitted, she didn't talk to the rest of the flat about it - i.e. any of the ones who are staying on for 3rd year. She also didn't ask the landlord for permission and the boiler is now making odd noises (I think it has air in the system) and the landlord is understandably annoyed, as is DD.

Malbecfan · 19/03/2019 19:40

Brizzle that sounds dodgy. I hope it works out.

DD gets college accommodation next year too. Last year she was very near the top of the ballot, so this year was at the bottom. However, she and her mates have been allocated a house on the college site. DD reckons she'll be saving £260 per year compared to this year and £600+ compared to her first year, simply by not being in one of the main blocks and sharing bathrooms. The normal kitchens don't have ovens, but the house does and there is also a freezer. DD reckons she'll save more by batch cooking and freezing some.

EcclesThePeacock · 19/03/2019 19:48

Mine is very much enjoying being in a house, thanks to low ballot placing this year - a proper kitchen and freezer so she doesn't come home and demand a whole bowl of frozen peas.Grin And she's had first dibs on rooms for next year.

brizzlemint · 19/03/2019 19:53

We were guarantors for her current flat, but hoping not to be next year, maybe by paying extra up front

We did that - extra up front rather than being a guarantor. She's paid up front herself as she saved up her rent in advance from her loan.

Horsemad · 19/03/2019 23:19

Hello All 🙂

DH has received the guarantor agreement but it didn't mention being liable for everyone's rent, only for DS's.

Needmoresleep, thank you for all the info, that was really helpful, thank you. Flowers

Brizzle, I hope your Dd's landlord problems are sorted soon.

Xenia · 20/03/2019 07:06

My son's house just had a smart meter put in (I will never agree to one here for all kinds of reasons at home) when he was out and fro a lovely warm room it was so cold last night he had to curl into a ball in the middle of his bed. He was home just during the day yesterday and said his landlord's agent said bleed the radiators before they will send anyone out. I have sent him back with a radiator key and explained how to do it. Hopefully that will work. However it dose depend on your system - my heater men 18 months ago put in a closed system (which I didn't want) which means I cn't just bleed radiators any more. I have to get ladders, get up to a very high loft, check the pressure guage up there after bleeding them. It is so difficult you end up just paying someone to do it which is presumably one of the reasons they like putting these closed systems in.

brizzlemint · 20/03/2019 07:13

That's very frustrating Xenia.
We can amend the pressure on our boiler which, thankfully, isn't in the loft - we had a great boiler engineer and because of his work we also have free underfloor heating in our bathroom which is brilliant given that teenagers seem to confuse a towel rail with the floor.

The boiler at now seems to be fine thank goodness but I am less than impressed at the persuasive skills of the electricity company for taking advantage of a student and doing the hard sell about it being compulsory. She's not from this country and is less clued up than the others who would have realised that you ask the landlord.

Xenia · 20/03/2019 07:33

Yes, the repair man at my house said he would keep the colosed system he'd installed in the loft but leave it not connected once he had finishedh is work (new radiators, new boilers). He was late finishing so I was not there on his last day to check things as I was away for work. He said later he spent 2 hours at the time trying to get it to work without the closed system but could not (I am not sure I believe him as it was fine before) and it is one of the highest lofts to get to - you need step ladders just to reach up and use the stick tihngs to pull the very long loft ladder down which i can hardly support to push it back up again at the end as it is so heavy (and I am pretty strong). In fact this has reminded me that the servicing company has not got back to me about a recent call.I will ring them again today. It is annoying as our boiler is easy to reach downstairs but the pressure valve etc is right up in the loft.

I am glad your daughter's boiler is fine. I don't even know if my son's landlord's agent or the agent or even the students were asked to consent to the smart meter. Anyway it's there now.

Needmoresleep · 20/03/2019 08:44

Brizzle, you are right. The utility company ought to get landlord permission. Virgin can be particularly tough and require head lessor permission in a block of flats. Its is one good reason why you should read through the contract with them. Leases inevitably say meters etc cannot be changed without permission. Plus some meters can be tied to specific suppliers which makes it a pain. Another lease clause to watch for is garden maintenance. Tenants never do this, but clearing a years overgrowth takes ages and is expensive.

DD had a problem in that Bristol Water said they would not open a new account without fitting a meter, but neither the landlord nor letting agency would reply to her request for permission. She solved it by having the surveyor round, and explaining her predicament. He was only to happy to agree that the pipework was so ancient and complicated that he could not be sure which pipes belonged to which flat. The thing turned into such a marathon of missed appointments and threats to turn off their water, that a nice lady in the call centre let them off two months of bills.

DD is more sanguine than most about taking on admin, as her initial exposure to NHS admin when sorting out placements etc, means she understands that a willingness to tackle and persevere with admin is a key career skill.

Joining others with heating problems. Teeth and heating seem to have filled the empty nest gap. The person who owned the house before us used an interior designer who installed lovely bespoke radiators which are now 40 years old. A valve went, and my reliable (finally - London is a plumber desert) plumbing firm managed to locate one....in France, and which took a month to arrive. We live in one of those tall London houses , not many rooms but lots of stairs., so all the debris from an ancient and rusting system falls to the bottom stopping circulation in the basement. So a powerflush was needed. The plumber was Lithuanian and the powerflusher was Albanian and neither could understand my desire to hang onto to old radiators when I could buy new and modern, indeed I had a day's worth of the glories of the former Soviet empire "in Russia there is one radiator factory and all radiators are the same. All parts fit." Perhaps time to emigrate.

Xenia · 20/03/2019 13:18

I had 21 of about 24 radiators replaced last year but they had only bee frmo the 80s so no such issues. I love those really old classic radiators wihch are definitely worth saving. Mind you when they put in my 21 new ones and new boilers we are still left with 5 radiators including every bathroom which get no heat at all. I gave up by that point.

brizzlemint · 20/03/2019 14:24

The plumber was Lithuanian and the powerflusher was Albanian and neither could understand my desire to hang onto to old radiators when I could buy new and modern, indeed I had a day's worth of the glories of the former Soviet empire "in Russia there is one radiator factory and all radiators are the same. All parts fit." Perhaps time to emigrate.

From what I've seen of Albanian schools I wouldn't mind teaching there!

brizzlemint · 20/03/2019 14:25

Xenia 26 radiators?! New boilers? Which royal palace do you live in ?! Grin

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