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DS, hugely overdrawn at uni. How do I respond?

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Isabelle112 · 26/12/2016 23:40

It appears that DS has, in spite of a loan and our paying his rent at uni, is OD by about 2k - the limit on his account. He has very clearly been spending a lot, largley on socialising, over the past term. Last year, his first, he didn't budget either but at least his account then didn't have an overdraft facility.

I don't know what to do. He's been so cagey about his finances, won't talk at all - in fact, he seems altogether pretty withdrawn. Goes out for long walks at night (he's out now) with barely a word and largely only speaks to me to ask me about food. All quite depressing. We suspect he's fully aware that he's overspent but somehow he's got into a horrible spiral and can't understand that the first step towards disintangling himself is to set himself a budget. He does't work in the term or holidays - another sore point but he doesn't.

His loan for next term will come in soon no doubt - and he's hoping it's soon so he can go back to the uni town for New Year. He didn't like most of his Christmas presents so I've said I'll take them back and put the money into his account. But with a 2 k overdraft and expensive tastes (pricey hairdressers, buys quite a lot of clothes, goes out a lot - ), whatever I give him will be a drop in the ocean. I wish he didn't have an account with an OD (one of those student incentives it was) because then he'd have had to cope with his loan. Last year, we bailed him out a lot but this year, we determined not to quite so much (aside from the rent), hoping that he'd learn to live on the loan alone. It's not ungenerous, so it could have been done (especially if he'd got a pt job).

Do I have it out with him - the thought makes me exhausted and all my overtures re money haven't had any effect so far - just met with disinterest, exasperation on his part and even, sometimes, rudeness. Any thoughts would be welcome! Anyone else, incidentally, had a Christmas when their uni DCs have barely engaged with family life? Unlike their pre-university selves?

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titchy · 27/12/2016 16:29

Incenssare is right. OP has posted about her dh and dses for ages. She struggles financially, does all the housework, has two jobs. Meanwhile the men in her life treat her like a skivy, are lazy arses and she bails them out financially at every opportunity.

She needs to just stop. Move out, let them sort themselves out. But she won't. And the cycle will continue.

Flingmoo · 27/12/2016 16:34

Student overdrafts are basically interest free loans as long as you pay them off within the stipulated amount of time after graduation. I took a second one out on purpose to afford a large deposit plus that was required to rent a new flat! Borrowing money from parents wasn't an option for me.

I graduated with about £5k of overdraft debt but I never paid any interest on it because I financially prioritised paying it off after graduation. They often give you up to 3 years to pay it off before charging a penny of interest! Wasn't really an issue at all for me.

Mehfruittea · 27/12/2016 16:35

This sounds like most students I knew at uni 20 yrs ago.

The only bit that worries me is going out for walks late at night. Really? The only guys I knew who did that were ones looking to score weed, or worse. I would be having a chat about that aspect of his behaviour and the potential impact that might be having on finances.

expatinscotland · 27/12/2016 16:36

Isabelle, you need to dump the lot of them. They have zero respect for you.

GnomeDePlume · 27/12/2016 18:01

Getting through that amount of money in, what, 10-12 weeks? It sounds like he is running with a very fast crowd.

How are his studies going? Is it possible that there is a problem in that area which he is worried about?

Serin · 27/12/2016 18:33

DD is in year 2.

Both DH and I were hopeless with money at uni, we were both always overdrawn despite having PT jobs. Between us we had 8K of debt on graduation, which was a lot 25years ago!

To avoid her getting into the same mess, she uses her govt living expenses loan to pay her accom and we give her our contribution monthly, so that she is better able to budget.

Is your son depressed?

bloodyteenagers · 27/12/2016 18:39

Did you take any of the advice you was given when you last posted a thread about this?

triskellionoflegs · 27/12/2016 18:44

OP, you say 'his loan for next term will come soon hopefully', before new year...If you're in the UK it should be completely predictable when it will come, and in most of england it's not till mid January.

You all seem confused as if the loan could show up anytime, which seems really unlikely over the Xmas period, wherever you are.

You can look up the date on the letter he got at the start of the year, or the relevant student finance website. It sounds as if your DS is in denial about money, and hoping more will arrive, without looking at the real facts.
I'd suggest he should really work on how to budget better and save money rather than be focused on getting to uni again for the social life at new year, where he'll be spending before the term even starts.

Badcat666 · 27/12/2016 18:44

Oh FFS OP.

He is an adult. Stop bailing him out and spending all your money on him. He KNOWS you will bail him out which is why is keeps doing all this.

And HE should take the presents back if HE doesn't like them. Like a grown up does. Stop pandering to him.

Time for him to grow some balls and go and get a p/t job.

gillybeanz · 27/12/2016 18:48

He's in his second year now and should have learned how to manage his affairs by now OP, some men his age are supporting a family, paying a mortgage etc.
You just have to let him get on with it and sort it out himself, there's nothing you can do really.
Could he be taking drugs? The long walks and being withdrawn would certainly be no surprise.

ChocolateCakeandSprinkles · 27/12/2016 18:52

You need to give him some tough love. Do not under any circumstances bail him out. He got himself potentially into the mess, he needs to sort it.

When I was at uni my parents paid my rent and £25 a week for food (and yes I know I was bludy lucky). I didn't have a loan, I got a full time job and worked the entire time through uni. I worked every holiday, and not only came out with no debt but paid a year of my fees off.

He has got to learn responsibility. If you are paying his rent, then why does he need a student loan, beyond for food. He needs to get off his ass and get a job!

Tell him, you are not going to pry, but if he is ever in financial trouble you will happily help him to search for advice, help him write a budget or discuss it with a debt agency, but you won't be giving him money!

And...ungrateful little sod with the presents. If I get something I'm not keen on, I thank the person and either take it back myself or re-gift to someone else!

bloodyteenagers · 27/12/2016 18:55

He knows exactly when his next payment is due. He would have received a detailed letter telling him when. Roughly the end of January.
Tell the brat to take his own stuff back. Why should you?
Maybe you will start listening to people as the consensus on both threads has been the same. Stop pandering to him. He's an adult. He could have done lots of things but why should he when you keep bailing him out? Why
Should he when he comes along and demands ridiculous amounts for birthdays, dissatisfied with presents and you bow down to him and run around after
Him?
Where's his life lesson in being an adult?
You goi g to bail him out for the rest of your life? Because quiet frankly it
Wouldn't surprise me.

bloodyteenagers · 27/12/2016 18:59

Oh and putting the money in his account.
Did you pay cash or card? Card the money doesn't come back to you straight away, takes several working days. Stores can give store credit or exchanges. They are under no legal obligation iirc to give cash just some do. Slightly different if online because of distant learning regs.
So by some miracle you get some cash, surely the od will eat it up anyway. So you will have the sniffly little man child bleating he has no money and no presents and still want a bail out.

HecAteAllTheXmasPud · 27/12/2016 19:00

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BernadetteMatthews · 27/12/2016 19:00

When you say he's spending it on socialising, do you mean just alcohol?

There's a huge drug problem at lots of universities.

P1nkP0ppy · 27/12/2016 19:20

Sorry op but your doing your DS absolutely no favours by bailing him out.
My DCs had to live within their means at university precisely because there was no way we could bail them out financially. DD did cleaning and bar work jobs, DS maintaining a frugal existence whilst still enjoying university life, so it can be done with a bit of common sense.
They went back to uni with a big box of groceries and toiletries and I would send them money as and when I could.
They both graduated with 1st Class (Hons) so didn't do them any harm working and studying.
Tell him to grow up pdq and start being responsible for his actions.

pinkdonkey · 27/12/2016 19:39

I think living out of an interest free overdraft is quite standard for students, but maxing it in the first term is unwise. I'm another one wondering if drugs are involved. Being withdrawn and the long night time walks with spending alot are red flags to me. Have you noticed a change in personality, mood swings, sudden increase in appetite particularly after these walks?

blankmind · 27/12/2016 19:43

Some people only "realise" how bad things are when they are presented to them in black and white.

Get him to fill this in, don't forget to include every penny you give him as well, so it's as accurate as possible.
www.stoozing.com/calculator/soa.php

JohnHunter · 30/12/2016 13:16

Late night walks, withdrawn, did not enjoy his Christmas presents, and spending unusual sums of money? He sounds depressed. Is he heartbroken, i.e. struggling with girl/boy trouble? Online gambling? Drugs?

In light of the rest of your post I would see the overdraft as a symptom rather than the problem. Can you, your partner, and/or another friend/relative talk to him about how university is going? I agree with others that a job might help, both financially and in terms of helping him maintain some perspective.

I certainly wouldn't bail him out again without a very good reason.

DownAmongtheElves · 30/12/2016 15:07

Sadly for her (and frustratingly for anyone suggesting what she might do) the OP has posted more than a few times about her son, her elder son and her husband. None of it inspires me to think she's going to actually do anything. They've been riding roughshod over her for many years.

OP you need to go away for a week or so on your own. Give up the 2nd job, and require that your elder son contributes to the household and also gets a full-time job. And tell your younger son that his loan is his income, and if he needs more, he needs to get a job.

Just keep on saying this to each of them.

And stop doing any housework or cooking for any of the 3 of them.

DrinkFeckArseGirls · 30/12/2016 15:14

Tell him to sell the expensive clothes! He won't get much but it's something. Expensive haircuts - ha! Barber won't do??

Kennington · 30/12/2016 15:20

Expensive haircuts aren't necessary for anyone - I go cheap myself x2 per year and I am on a decent salary.
If he needs money for food I would give him something like 10 quid a week and tell him to get a part time job. I worked in a shop at uni for a while.
He just needs a little tough love, not so much so he gets really upset though. He is an adult so should be able to resolve himself in due course.

RayofFuckingSunshine · 30/12/2016 15:26

If he has maxed his overdraft then he will have to learn to budget, because there is no extra money coming from anywhere else.

It sounds harsh, but let him flounder. His loan will come in next week or so, he will burn through it and have nothing left, and then he will learn for next time round. I'd bail him out a small amount after a few days of letting him stew, but only to the tune of £30 a week or so until his next payment.

Pollyanna9 · 30/12/2016 15:31

JohnHunter that's exactly what I thought. He sounds depressed.

Whilst in no way should OP bail him out, I think he needs a lot of help and support by the sounds of things. Poor lad really. I know he's got himself into this pickle, but he doesn't seem to have a base of operations in his family that shows strength, boundaries, responsibility etc to him - it seems like a generally weak example that he's seen over time (going by PPs).

I'd be most worried if he's going out for late night walks every night, he sounds like someone who is really struggling.

In dealing with the financial bail-out every time and not addressing all the issues that lead to it, is doing no one any favours, least of all him.

Chippednailvarnishing · 30/12/2016 15:34

Why are you willing to let your entire family walk all over you and use you OP?

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