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EU referendum guest post: Priti Patel – "We are better off out"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 20/06/2016 13:23

We all share a responsibility to keep hate and violence out of our democracy - and whichever side you end up on in debates, arguably the most important thing is to turn up and vote. Following the tragedy of Jo Cox’s death last week, this is even more pertinent.

It is my belief that the UK's best days lie ahead of us. The facts are on our side. We have a stunning future ahead of us if we have the self-belief to vote Leave on June 23. That means believing the UK’s future is truly bright, that the prospects for our children and grandchildren outside the EU have never been better. As a mother, I want my children to have every opportunity to travel, to enjoy rewarding careers, to take part in the next stage in the growth of what can become the most successful country anywhere - creative, fair, and open to everything the world has to offer.

This referendum is finally allowing the people of Britain to decide who is in charge of their country. It is a fantastic opportunity to achieve our full potential by taking back control of our democracy and our laws. By leaving, we will be able to call time on the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels whose main interest is taking over power for themselves.

For years, governments of all parties have given those powers up time and again without the people ever being given a say. It has now got to the point where six in every 10 of our laws are written by the EU.

Those rules are doing huge damage to Britain and British jobs, imposing £600m a week of costs. Entrepreneurs and small businesses bear the brunt. They could be sprinting forward, creating even more new opportunities for our young people if Brussels was not holding them back.

If we vote to leave the EU and take back control, it will be up to us to design the laws and the free trade agreements with the rest of the world that will be what our economy needs, not 27 other very different countries.

Leaving is the optimistic move for our young people. The level of immigration into Britain is making it harder for them to afford a home, for local authorities to find enough places for the growing school population, and cheap labour is forcing wages down. My family moved to Britain to escape persecution in Idi Amin’s Uganda and I’ll always be someone who thinks we should be a welcoming country to those in need. But because we are legally required to keep our borders open to all EU migration, there is little we can do to reduce the pressure from people who do not urgently need to move here. We will always want skilled people such as doctors and talented entrepreneurs to come to Britain, so we should move to an Australian points system that lets us decide who is allowed to come here. That is only possible outside the EU.

I also want to leave because we can make much better use of the £10 billion net that Brussels takes from Britain every year. The Leave campaign has proposed putting £100 million extra into the NHS every week. We could afford things like the new anti-breast cancer and anti-HIV drugs that are currently so hard for the cash-strapped NHS to afford. These will be decisions for parliament, but another way we can use the money would be to abolish VAT on pensioners’ gas and electricity bills. The EU and its judges, who are the ultimate arbiters of our tax system for now, forbid us from cutting this tax, which hits those on low incomes the hardest.

If we don't leave, we risk being sucked into the disaster of the Eurozone, being told to cough up either to rescue the countries left destitute by the currency’s survival or sweep up the mess if it collapses.

The crisis has left millions of Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians unemployed. It is worst for the young - more than half of them are jobless in Greece. This crisis has accurately been described as “the economic crime of modern times”.

Staying is far from being the safe option its supporters claim. My great concern is that a Remain vote will mean Europe thinking we are fully signed up to whatever they dream up next.

We are better off out. The fastest growing economies are all outside the EU and building strong ties with them is the surest way of my children being able to get good jobs in the years to come. I’m voting for them next Thursday and I’m voting to Leave. I hope you’ll do the same.

OP posts:
ThelmaLouise · 21/06/2016 11:47

Brilliant post priti. Thank you. I wish you were my mp.

BishopBrennansArse · 21/06/2016 11:54

Move then?

merrymouse · 21/06/2016 12:10

The 350 million figure is false. We don't ever pay over that much money because of the rebate and after you take into account the funding we get back (which would have to be found somewhere else) we pay more like £190 million. Some would argue that we recoup that money by having access to EU trade, some wouldn't. However there certainly isn't £350 million a week knocking around that could be spent on the NHS, as claimed by the leave campaign's website and leaflets.

To get access to the single market (like Switzerland, per the Brexit leaflet) we would have still have to contribute financially, and we would still have to negotiate that figure with the EU. It is a fantasy to imagine that we would be able to dictate the terms.

merrymouse · 21/06/2016 12:19

Whether or not Cameron could control immigration in the EU, it really isn't clear how immigration could be controlled outside the EU. Access to EU trade for the UK will mean agreement with the EU.

merrymouse · 21/06/2016 12:20

...Agreement with the EU on free movement of people that is.

lljkk · 21/06/2016 13:20

Immigration from outside the EU can be tightly controlled. It might be brutal & unfair, divide families and wreck industries. And subject to problems due to encouraging more black-market/underground economy. So very possible. Just not in our interests.

smallfox1980 · 21/06/2016 20:29

I was brought to mumsnet by a friend who wanted me to read this post as I have been pro remain and she thought it would win me over.

In terms of this £600 million fa seek figure, this really shocked me so I clicked on the link and read through it. I then went and did a little digging and found that these figures might actually be true, if over estimated, but mention none of the benefits of being in the EU and also don't take into account rules and regulations that are not going to change even if we leave. Some for example aren't even EU agreements like Basel banking (this is the CRD IV package agreement mentioned on the link which rules on the level of liquidity banks are required to keep in relation to their loans) and the Paris climate change agreement, are international agreements, not EU impositions. These two rules together account for nearly a quarter of total estimated EU “costs” under Open Europe’s calculations. So a quarter of that bill won't be changed.

Further to this the link other large bills "costing" us are the cost of not making people work more than 48 hours (identified as the Working time directive) and the fact that employers now have to pay and treat temporary workers the same they do the permanent ones which as the level of agency work in the UK is rising is a good thing.

There are other problems with this too the £600 million a week includes regulations that we'd need to follow if we wanted to continue exporting EU markets with the products/services covered. It also doesn't bring in anything about how consumers and workers benefit from these rules (one of them is about informing authorities about the presence of asbestos).

Is Priti Patel saying that after an exit we would repeal these laws? If so she hasn't made that clear in her piece. I'm sure that there are some regulations that may need reform, to paint it like its an imposed cost which is bad for Britain when many of these regulations are beneficial is misleading the reader.

Londonmamabychance · 21/06/2016 21:41
  • if Britain leaves the EU, the money saved from not paying for EU membership will not be used on the NHS. Why would Johnson and Gove and the other Leave-people suddenly start caring about the NHS when they never did before?
  • EU migrants contribute more to the British society in terms of taxes than what they take out in terms of benefits.
  • the number of asylum seekers and other migrants from outside the EU will not be reduced by leaving the EU. The UK's obligations to take in refugees are controlled by other international treaties which will not be affected by leaving the EU.
  • Britain needs migrants to keep up its services. A large part of employees in the NHS and school system are migrants, because there simply aren't enough qualified/willing Brits to fill these jobs.
  • the British economy will, according to all respected economists, be worse off outside the EU. Whether you believe in mainstream economy as a good model for society or not, we all know that resources will be taken from the weakest in society first under another wave of 'austerity' if the economy weakens.
  • the EU is a peace project. There may be much to criticise in terms of bureaucracy and lack of transparency etc., but don't forget that 60 years ago Europe was in ruins after WW2. The EU was an attempt to prevent this from ever happening again. It may have moved on from this starting point, but keeping Europe united is as important as ever
  • the EU law Patel says is damaging UK is for example the working time directive which ensures workers can't be exploited, Right to msternity leave and a whole host Very ambitions environmental directives that the current UK gov and Patel would happily scrap in the name of 'economic growth'
  • yes the 'fastest growing economies' are outside the EU - but this is simply because there growing from a very low staring point. The Indian, Brazilian and South Aftican markets for example still
Account for only a fraction of the EU market. And who's to say these countries would be interested in bilateral trade dead with the U.K.? The EU already has such trade deals that we're benefitting from now, so why start all over?
officerhinrika · 22/06/2016 00:12

Well said smallfox1980. There is far too much dismissing of EU regulations as "red tape" when in fact they are useful and important measures I would like to keep. Food safety anyone? Animal welfare, clean beaches etc etc.

officerhinrika · 22/06/2016 00:18

Also, rattitude, I agree about a number of posters popping up on referendum threads with monotonous regularity. I've got to the stage where I start reading a thread, interested in the discussion, until I see one of 'those' posters. at that point I stop reading as its about to deteriorate into cut and paste from the leave websites rather than a useful discussion.
I've never noticed Pritti Patel calling for increased spending on the NHS before either.

Rattitude · 22/06/2016 00:25

smallfox, it looks like your friend does not know you very well then. Grin

smallfox1980 · 22/06/2016 00:29

Officer, she uses that very clever policians trick of "we could" not "we will" Priti Patel is no place to make promises about anything.

Interestingly she quotes £10 billion net "given" to Brussles, when the vast majority of sources say between £7.6 billion and £8 billion.

I wouldn't trust her use of figures at all actually, she writes in an emotive way and uses her figures to try to support her appeals to emotion.

sellotape12 · 22/06/2016 08:15

Did mumsnet delete my post? It was posted at 00:11 and was pro-Remain.

0phelia · 22/06/2016 08:25

Excellent post Priti.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 22/06/2016 08:26

Did mumsnet delete my post? It was posted at 00:11 and was pro-Remain

You sure you posters it?

MNHQ don't remove posts. It would still be there with your name and a deletion message where the text was

Something along the lines of 'this post breaks MNHQ guidelines'

WalrusGumboot · 22/06/2016 08:30

Are you sure it was this thread sellotape? There are lots of similar ones running at the moment.

BeakyMinder · 22/06/2016 09:16

For anyone still open to hearing facts, the FT's summary - and verdict - on the Brexit arguments made by Priti and others is here. It's a good straightforward read:

www.ft.com/cms/s/2/0260242c-370b-11e6-9a05-82a9b15a8ee7.html?ftcamp=crm/emailnbe/UKPolitics/product#axzz4CCK9pdF1

Littlemisslovesspiders · 22/06/2016 09:26

The FT however is openly out for Remain Wink

Wordsmith · 22/06/2016 09:31

JelliedEels The UK get 35% of the vote and the other 26 countries get to share 65%? That sounds a pretty good deal for the UK to me! Grin

smallfox1980 · 22/06/2016 10:16

Actually winter the UK gets about 17% of the vote, still far larger than other countries.

If it was dealt out equally between the 27 countries each country would get about 3.7%.

Again showing that the UK has far more influence over the EU than the exit campaign are making out.

Just how can they be so disingenuous? Shocking.

TheLionSleepsAha · 22/06/2016 13:24

Interesting post Priti. Having read the arguments of both sides I love Europe but not the EU, for hope for the future I will VOTE LEAVE 😀

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OrangesandLemonsNow · 22/06/2016 16:13

How ironic kormachameleon That you talk of speaking about Jo's death and then state the below.

Jo's husband has talked about the language used. Maybe you need to think about yours.

The sooner we can get rid of you and your fellow self serving, vile party colleagues the better

(That is what I should of said. Phone playing up will get MNHQ to delete the others)