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EU referendum guest post: Priti Patel – "We are better off out"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 20/06/2016 13:23

We all share a responsibility to keep hate and violence out of our democracy - and whichever side you end up on in debates, arguably the most important thing is to turn up and vote. Following the tragedy of Jo Cox’s death last week, this is even more pertinent.

It is my belief that the UK's best days lie ahead of us. The facts are on our side. We have a stunning future ahead of us if we have the self-belief to vote Leave on June 23. That means believing the UK’s future is truly bright, that the prospects for our children and grandchildren outside the EU have never been better. As a mother, I want my children to have every opportunity to travel, to enjoy rewarding careers, to take part in the next stage in the growth of what can become the most successful country anywhere - creative, fair, and open to everything the world has to offer.

This referendum is finally allowing the people of Britain to decide who is in charge of their country. It is a fantastic opportunity to achieve our full potential by taking back control of our democracy and our laws. By leaving, we will be able to call time on the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels whose main interest is taking over power for themselves.

For years, governments of all parties have given those powers up time and again without the people ever being given a say. It has now got to the point where six in every 10 of our laws are written by the EU.

Those rules are doing huge damage to Britain and British jobs, imposing £600m a week of costs. Entrepreneurs and small businesses bear the brunt. They could be sprinting forward, creating even more new opportunities for our young people if Brussels was not holding them back.

If we vote to leave the EU and take back control, it will be up to us to design the laws and the free trade agreements with the rest of the world that will be what our economy needs, not 27 other very different countries.

Leaving is the optimistic move for our young people. The level of immigration into Britain is making it harder for them to afford a home, for local authorities to find enough places for the growing school population, and cheap labour is forcing wages down. My family moved to Britain to escape persecution in Idi Amin’s Uganda and I’ll always be someone who thinks we should be a welcoming country to those in need. But because we are legally required to keep our borders open to all EU migration, there is little we can do to reduce the pressure from people who do not urgently need to move here. We will always want skilled people such as doctors and talented entrepreneurs to come to Britain, so we should move to an Australian points system that lets us decide who is allowed to come here. That is only possible outside the EU.

I also want to leave because we can make much better use of the £10 billion net that Brussels takes from Britain every year. The Leave campaign has proposed putting £100 million extra into the NHS every week. We could afford things like the new anti-breast cancer and anti-HIV drugs that are currently so hard for the cash-strapped NHS to afford. These will be decisions for parliament, but another way we can use the money would be to abolish VAT on pensioners’ gas and electricity bills. The EU and its judges, who are the ultimate arbiters of our tax system for now, forbid us from cutting this tax, which hits those on low incomes the hardest.

If we don't leave, we risk being sucked into the disaster of the Eurozone, being told to cough up either to rescue the countries left destitute by the currency’s survival or sweep up the mess if it collapses.

The crisis has left millions of Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians unemployed. It is worst for the young - more than half of them are jobless in Greece. This crisis has accurately been described as “the economic crime of modern times”.

Staying is far from being the safe option its supporters claim. My great concern is that a Remain vote will mean Europe thinking we are fully signed up to whatever they dream up next.

We are better off out. The fastest growing economies are all outside the EU and building strong ties with them is the surest way of my children being able to get good jobs in the years to come. I’m voting for them next Thursday and I’m voting to Leave. I hope you’ll do the same.

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Rattitude · 20/06/2016 19:16

Anna, I am not naming posters as I have a thread deleted for expressing my suspicions about one. It is easy to find some via Advanced Search and notice that they have only posted on EU referendum discussions.

I would give a lot more credibility to a Mumsnetter to express her/his genuine opinions if they have also posted on Relationship, Style &Beauty, Housekeeping, Property (etc.) boards in the past.

Toby Young? Please!!

Michael Dougan is a professor with knowledge in the field he is commenting on, unlike Toby Young.

I resent your suggestion that I do not have to click on these threads.

I am educated enough, and have the ability and intellectual curiosity to confront the information I am reading on here to other (usually more valid) sources but a lot of people don't. It is the pernicious damage done to others' views that I fear. I actually do not care one jot about its impact on me.

Dollius01 · 20/06/2016 19:17

The vast majority of immigration into the UK is from outside the EU. So how will Brexit help that?

Limer · 20/06/2016 19:18

Excellent guest post, many thanks Priti Patel.

Loved this statement:

We are better off out. The fastest growing economies are all outside the EU and building strong ties with them is the surest way of my children being able to get good jobs in the years to come. I’m voting for them next Thursday and I’m voting to Leave. I hope you’ll do the same.

Sums up exactly my feelings too. Vote Leave.

Roonerspism · 20/06/2016 19:19

Actually at present, it's about equal. With the collapsing Eurozone, it is set to increase

AnnaForbes · 20/06/2016 19:20

Dollius, The vast majority of immigration into the UK is from outside the EU

Figures for end of 2015 are EU migration 184,000 and non-EU migration 188,000. There isn't a huge difference. We need to control all migration, Brexit is a start.

CoolforKittyCats · 20/06/2016 19:21

I am educated enough, and have the ability and intellectual curiosity to confront the information I am reading on here to other (usually more valid) sources but a lot of people don't.

Wow condescending much Shock

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 19:22

No, Kitty, just factual.

Dollius01 · 20/06/2016 19:33

Why do we need to control immigration exactly? Those figures are miniscule compared to the population at large.

BishopBrennansArse · 20/06/2016 19:35

I'm really offended that Jo Cox has been brought into this. Particularly when I saw evidence of at least 3 local level leave campaigns running during the agreed cease in campaigning.

bkgirl · 20/06/2016 19:36

Been on here for years, I thought we mums could have debate without such cynicism. I have changed from remain to leave because of information. I care that there is real democracy - not the democratic deficit term for a dictatorship. Juncker told Putin last week he was our LEADER. Well I never voted for him - did you?

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 19:45

bkgirl, what is your source where it is stated that Juncker told Putin he is OUR leader?

Did you vote for Cameron? because a lot of people did not, and he is still leader of the UK, and that is democracy...

Clangersarepink · 20/06/2016 19:50

An actual real fact from the Leave campaign. The fastest growing economies in 2016 are all outside of the EU. Here's the projected top ten according to the IMF:

Myanmar
Ivory Coast
Bhutan
India
Laos
Iraq
Cambodia
Tanzania
Bangladesh
Senegal

Yes, Iraq is in the list (I didn't say relevant fact).

Figures for 2015: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_real_GDP_growth_rate

But to be serious, growth is actually quite diverse in the EU. Poland on 3% and Ireland on 4.8%, for example, had high growth, much higher than the measly EU average of 1.8%. Some Commonwealth countries had worse growth than the UK's 2.5%, Canada, for example, only grew 1% last year.

South Korea (2.7%) and the US (2.6%) just outperformed us, but Japan had growth of only 0.6%.

This idea that the UK economy could potentially grow faster outside the EU is often bandied about but I've not heard a good reason why. Perhaps companies will do what Leave supporter Dyson did to cut costs and move jobs overseas? Or maybe we'll deregulate our Finance sector even more than in the pre-Credit Crunch run-up? Or perhaps cut wage costs by removing EU worker's protections? Or bring in non-EU immigrants who will work for even lower wages? Sell more military equipment to despotic regimes?

Growth comes from these sorts of things:
Cutting labour costs
Accessing new markets
Investing smarter
Innovating
Reducing trade barriers

The only one we can do better outside of the EU is cutting labour costs, which I don't personally believe is a good thing. In the Scottish Independence vote the SNP focused on the lack of investment in Scotland due to London being too big a focal point. That argument at least made sense, even if the No voters decided it wasn't a good reason to vote Yes. There is no equivalent argument from Leave in this referendum.

CoolforKittyCats · 20/06/2016 19:54

No, Kitty, just factual.

No it's rude and sneery to make assumptions about others intelligence or that people are unable to look into things as you do because you are 'educated'.

You know absolutely nothing about other posters thinking or 'intelligence'.

CoolforKittyCats · 20/06/2016 19:56

Particularly when I saw evidence of at least 3 local level leave campaigns running during the agreed cease in campaigning.

I had a remain leaflet through the door which I have officially complained about.

BishopBrennansArse · 20/06/2016 19:56

Plenty look no further than sound bites or the personalities involved when it comes to politics. That's not exactly an intelligent approach...

CoolforKittyCats · 20/06/2016 19:57

Pressed too soon. Complain to the leave campaign HQ.

BishopBrennansArse · 20/06/2016 20:00

As you should. As did the people with evidence of the leave campaign doing it too. Appalling that anyone was campaigning at all last weekend.

flossietoot · 20/06/2016 20:01

Priti Patel- the same lovely women who lobbied on behalf of the tobacco industry to allow them to continue to advertise??? Just this fact alone voids her as someone to trust and listen to, never mind her behaviours as Employment Minister....

Equalitystreet · 20/06/2016 20:03

According to the Guardian the number of people who have to work on minimum wage will double over the next 20 years. This is great news for company bosses and shareholders. This is fuelled by workers from post 2004 accession countries happily wanting to work for minimum wage as it is double the minimum wage in their own countries. Work here for a year, live 10 to a house then go back with 2 years worth of pay. This drives up rents and lowers the wages that bosses will offer. The 2 speed EU is broken. A vote for remain will condemn our young people to a life on minimum wage.

Dozer · 20/06/2016 20:06

Of course fast growing economies are outside the EU - those are "developing" economies and grow faster by their nature.

The leave campaign can't state with any credibility that if we left the EU "we" (they presumably, if in government)!could spend more on things in the UK based on guesses about economic output, which would be negatively affected by the uncertainty of leaving.

Dozer · 20/06/2016 20:09

The guest poster refers to the UK being creative. UK creative and tech industries (worth over 15% of the economy currently) want to remain.

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 20:25

I am educated enough, and have the ability and intellectual curiosity to confront the information I am reading on here to other (usually more valid) sources but a lot of people don't.

Kitty, I stand by my statement and I refuse to admit that it is condescending, rude or sneery.

I have not commented on anybody's intelligence.

I have the tools (access to the internet, money to buy newspapers and magazine, ability to read press in a non-English language) and the time to inform myself.

At the risk of repeating myself, a lot of people do not have access to these tools nor the time, so may simply rely on snippets of 'information' on threads or campaign slogans and take these for granted, which I find sad and even scary considering the paucity of facts on Mumsnet threads.

LineyReborn · 20/06/2016 20:44

I would like Priti Patel to give her views on child labour and exploitation in these 'fastest growing economies'.

twofingerstoGideon · 20/06/2016 20:46

I'm another one who's amazed at the number of people saying Patel's post is 'excellent', when all it does is repeat the same old guff that Brexiters have spouted for months now, particularly in relation to the NHS, which is being deliberately under-funded for ideological reasons.

I was delighted to hear Mishal Husain take Patel to task on the Today Show last week. The Brexiters have made so many ridiculous spending promises and Patel should not have needed reminding that as a campaign group, they have no actual authority to promise anything.

The thing that worries me most about Brexit is that the people who want to leave do not share common ground. Instead, each seems to have his or her own fantasy about what a post-Brexit Utopia will look like. Basically they are voting for the unknown.

I would not accuse all Brexiters of being racist, but I'm fairly sure most racists support Brexit. I do not wish to stand shoulder to shoulder with these people, or the various opportunist politicians who shamelessly change their minds about important issues (eg. Boris making a case for Turkey joining the EU before scaremongering about... the Turks joining the EU).

I would also echo previous posters who are shocked at the way Jo Cox's name has been used here by Priti Patel.

Brokenbiscuit · 20/06/2016 21:04

I'd like to know what Priti Patel thinks of Nigel Farage's racist poster campaign.