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EU referendum guest post: Priti Patel – "We are better off out"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 20/06/2016 13:23

We all share a responsibility to keep hate and violence out of our democracy - and whichever side you end up on in debates, arguably the most important thing is to turn up and vote. Following the tragedy of Jo Cox’s death last week, this is even more pertinent.

It is my belief that the UK's best days lie ahead of us. The facts are on our side. We have a stunning future ahead of us if we have the self-belief to vote Leave on June 23. That means believing the UK’s future is truly bright, that the prospects for our children and grandchildren outside the EU have never been better. As a mother, I want my children to have every opportunity to travel, to enjoy rewarding careers, to take part in the next stage in the growth of what can become the most successful country anywhere - creative, fair, and open to everything the world has to offer.

This referendum is finally allowing the people of Britain to decide who is in charge of their country. It is a fantastic opportunity to achieve our full potential by taking back control of our democracy and our laws. By leaving, we will be able to call time on the unelected bureaucrats in Brussels whose main interest is taking over power for themselves.

For years, governments of all parties have given those powers up time and again without the people ever being given a say. It has now got to the point where six in every 10 of our laws are written by the EU.

Those rules are doing huge damage to Britain and British jobs, imposing £600m a week of costs. Entrepreneurs and small businesses bear the brunt. They could be sprinting forward, creating even more new opportunities for our young people if Brussels was not holding them back.

If we vote to leave the EU and take back control, it will be up to us to design the laws and the free trade agreements with the rest of the world that will be what our economy needs, not 27 other very different countries.

Leaving is the optimistic move for our young people. The level of immigration into Britain is making it harder for them to afford a home, for local authorities to find enough places for the growing school population, and cheap labour is forcing wages down. My family moved to Britain to escape persecution in Idi Amin’s Uganda and I’ll always be someone who thinks we should be a welcoming country to those in need. But because we are legally required to keep our borders open to all EU migration, there is little we can do to reduce the pressure from people who do not urgently need to move here. We will always want skilled people such as doctors and talented entrepreneurs to come to Britain, so we should move to an Australian points system that lets us decide who is allowed to come here. That is only possible outside the EU.

I also want to leave because we can make much better use of the £10 billion net that Brussels takes from Britain every year. The Leave campaign has proposed putting £100 million extra into the NHS every week. We could afford things like the new anti-breast cancer and anti-HIV drugs that are currently so hard for the cash-strapped NHS to afford. These will be decisions for parliament, but another way we can use the money would be to abolish VAT on pensioners’ gas and electricity bills. The EU and its judges, who are the ultimate arbiters of our tax system for now, forbid us from cutting this tax, which hits those on low incomes the hardest.

If we don't leave, we risk being sucked into the disaster of the Eurozone, being told to cough up either to rescue the countries left destitute by the currency’s survival or sweep up the mess if it collapses.

The crisis has left millions of Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese and Italians unemployed. It is worst for the young - more than half of them are jobless in Greece. This crisis has accurately been described as “the economic crime of modern times”.

Staying is far from being the safe option its supporters claim. My great concern is that a Remain vote will mean Europe thinking we are fully signed up to whatever they dream up next.

We are better off out. The fastest growing economies are all outside the EU and building strong ties with them is the surest way of my children being able to get good jobs in the years to come. I’m voting for them next Thursday and I’m voting to Leave. I hope you’ll do the same.

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ProfessorPreciseaBug · 20/06/2016 21:54

Biscuit,
I will ask her the next time we meet... (she is my local MP).. Though you may have to wait a few months...

Rattitude,
Thank you for saying you will take notice of my comments as I have been on MN for some time. I initially joined to try and offer a helping hand to people who post mental illness threads as I have some experience there. I am a manic depressive. I also enjoy a bit of the _chat... I am voting out. I used to be an ardent Europhile. My change of heart is not because of immigration from within Europe, not because of red tape, not because of the waste, not because of the financial fiddling, not because of the failure to deal with the refugee situation, not because of the failing EU economies, not because of the Greek debt (or the portugese, Spanish, italian, French), not because of the failure to deliver a shared prosperity, not because of the difficulty in assimilating ever more countries, not because of the lack of democratic accountability,.....

Someone above commented about xenophobia... It is rising and yes it is bad... I feel that someone with Patel for a surname is in a pretty good position to understand immigration and racism. I am inclined to listen to what they have to say on the matter.

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 21:57

ProfBug, what made you change your views then?

Roonerspism · 20/06/2016 22:15

I would like to add that many Brexiters that I know are EU immigrants from about a decade ago.

I think they can be more open about their choice without fear of the racist card.

It's really stifled debate tbh. There should have been a much more detailed debate about immigration concerns/long term globalisation/integration but it wasn't possible.

Meanwhile, my Polish pal shrugs she states simply that there is too much

incywinci · 20/06/2016 22:27

MN shouldn't allow a guest post of this nature - it is seriously unfair. The least MN could do is present the other side of the argument too with another sticky guest post. Seriously disappointed in you MN!

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 22:36

Rooner, your experience is completely the opposite of mine.

As a reminder, EU immigrants cannot vote in the referendum unless they are from Ireland, Malta and Cyprus. I personally do not know any EU immigrants who have taken the British nationality. I am one of them and have been here 20+ years. There has never been a need.

However, I am well aware of the benefits for people such as me if the UK votes to remain in the European Union, even if I would have options following a Brexit vote.

As an example, I want assurance that my British pension will be increased each year if I return to my home country (as it would currently). There will be no guarantee that this will happen if the UK votes to leave.

Most of my EU friends and acquaintances feel strongly European and appreciate living in this country because it is a part of something bigger, which has shared values nonetheless.

Having said that, I appreciate that there are varied experiences.

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 22:38

incywinci, there is one!

There it is.

It is just less active than this one is.

incywinci · 20/06/2016 22:56

Rattitude, I'm using the MN app and I can't see the other guest post.

Rattitude · 20/06/2016 23:48

That is strange, incywinci.

I have just tried on the app and if you go to Topics and put 'guest' in the Search Topics field, it will prompt you to select the 'Guest Posts' entry.

Click on it and it should take it to all the current entries under this topic which should include the one from Helen Pankhurst.

There is probably a quicker way to find the entries under the Guest Posts topic but I do not know what this particular topic falls under.

BeakyMinder · 21/06/2016 07:15

I agree about the pro-Brexit posts at the start of this thread. They just don't sound like normal MN posts do they?

WellErrr · 21/06/2016 07:52

It's getting into the realms of desperation to suggest that Leave posters are hired trolls....Hmm Grin

I'm Leave and have been here for years. I'm also reasonably intelligent and not a racist - fancy that!

merrymouse · 21/06/2016 07:57

I received a pro Brexit leaflet yesterday. It still had the dodgy 350 million a week figure, and claimed that the UK could trade with the EU like Switzerland without making it clear that Switzerland can access the single market because it has agreed to free movement of people.

I though it must be from some off shoot Farageist group , but no it was from the official campaign and these arguments are front and centre on their website.

They must think their target voters are really, really thick.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 21/06/2016 08:01

They must think their target voters are really, really thick.

Cameron is still refusing to admit (as Corbyn has) that immigration can't be controlled from the EU.

He must think people are really really thick.

Let's not pretend either side is being 100% truthful.

mammmamia · 21/06/2016 08:06

This post is NOT excellent. It's naive and full of cliches.

mammmamia · 21/06/2016 08:07

Surprised at MN and MNers! Very suspicious about the number of posters that jumped in to say excellent.

resipsa · 21/06/2016 08:12

The negative immigration commentary makes me uncomfortable. My immigrant husband is helping to raise our 2 half-immigrant children whose taxes will probably pay in part for the pensions of many who will vote leave because of immigration issues. Odd.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 21/06/2016 08:15

I agree about the pro-Brexit posts at the start of this thread. They just don't sound like normal MN posts do they?

What exactly is a 'normal MN post?' Hmm

Are you really that desperate to have a go at posters rather than just say I don't agree

merrymouse · 21/06/2016 08:16

I agree the remain campaign has used some far fetched doom laiden arguments, but the 350 million figure is completely false while still being a central point of the leave campaign.

Meanwhile there is no reason to believe that immigration could be controlled more outside the EU. (See bogus leaflet claim re:Switzerland)

Add to that the company the brexit campaign has kept, and it has gone beyond the point of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

WellErrr · 21/06/2016 08:23

The 350 million figure IS NOT FALSE.

We pay 350 million. We get some back. The EU (not us) decides how much.

It's not in our control and never will be.

ThroughThickAndThin01 · 21/06/2016 08:32

I think people castigating her for mentioning Jo Cox should wind their necks in. She does the same job as as elected members of parliament and in effect colleagues.

If she hadn't acknowledged her, no doubt that would have been wrong too.

kinkytoes · 21/06/2016 08:34

It's hardly surprising there are plenty of supportive messages on here - most leavers will want to read this post. Remainers, less so.

OrangesandLemonsNow · 21/06/2016 08:36

Add to that the company the brexit campaign has kept, and it has gone beyond the point of 6 of one and half a dozen of the other.

So Cameron is being completely truthful when he talks about being able to control immigration then?

BeakyMinder · 21/06/2016 08:57

The government has control over non-EU migration and yet that was 188,000 last year. They could have cut it to 0 if they wanted to.

The reason the government doesn't cut down non-EU migration is because businesses, farmers, the NHS, care homes etc are begging for more migrants to do the jobs that would otherwise be vacant. Unemployment is at a record low, we just don't have enough young workers.

Cameron's promise was very stupid indeed. He was pandering to fear about migration - instead he should have stood up and told the truth: we need migrants.

Jelliedeels · 21/06/2016 09:19

Beaky - Unemployment is at a record low, we just don't have enough young workers.

It depends on where you live, deprived areas still have high unemployment but deprived areas also have a huge immigration influx.

BeakyMinder · 21/06/2016 10:40

The areas with highest unemployment have the lowest numbers of migrants. If you were a migrant, you'd go to where the jobs were wouldn't you? People aren't stupid.

YeOldeTrout · 21/06/2016 11:01

You can actually check that with maps...

I didn't bother to look for most recent data, but doubt pattern has changed since 2011. Highest youth unemployment in the areas with most native born UK people.

EU referendum guest post:  Priti Patel – "We are better off out"
EU referendum guest post:  Priti Patel – "We are better off out"