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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 20:36

Seems fairer if people know they are not dealing with a new poster.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:37

right, so I notice none of you can answer that question about consent. Or want to. or whatever.

huh. interesting.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:38

yeah, ya lost me fanjo.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 20:41

Well MNHQ can decide

DixieNormas · 27/11/2015 20:41

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Owllady · 27/11/2015 20:41

Well of course there are legalities surrounding , it's not that difficult to use Google

Does this happen regular on these threads then? :( I don't really post that much

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:42

ha, okay. you funny.

Anyway, I think these are all questions that would need to be answered in any education campaign, or at least talked about, not ignored and people shouted down for daring ask them. ahem.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:43

dixie really? so you don't worry that an adult with a lower IQ could be exploited by someone unscrupulous?

I did use google and all it talked about was the age, which wasn't really helpful.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:46

imilarly, the Sexual Offenses Act 2000 prohibits a person in a position of trust from performing sexual acts with someone who cannot consent, which includes minors and "very vulnerable people".[12] It is primarily used for the protection of those who are above the age of consent but under the age of 18, or who have mental disabilities.[13][1

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent_reform_%28UK%29

in this case they can't consent if it's a person in a position of trust, which is right. but not clear whether it would apply to someone outside of that.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:50

Honestly, that would be my big concern. Not so much the child, but the adult person with DS living out in a world with people who are not kind and who may take advantage.

DixieNormas · 27/11/2015 20:51

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lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:56

Ah, interesting. So there's no hard and fast rule, it's on a case by case basis. It's good that they have teams for people with DS.

I will say that where I live we don't seem to have the same level of social care that you seem to in the UK. And it really bothered me seeing my friend's daughter in this relationship with an NT guy (who was creepy) which no one seemed able to intervene with. It's very odd and they never see her, he controls her.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:57

Dixie, do you know of many adults with DS who do have the legal right to consent? Just curious about how functional the average DS adult is in society.

CoteDAzur · 27/11/2015 20:59

"no average nt child, whatever their age will score a 50, so saying an IQ of 50 is that of a child as rubbish"

I thought I was being gentle by saying "telling them to have a child who will always remain a child", obviously referring to low intelligence, capability, and independence. Would you rather I phrased that as "... a person who will grow up without even the mental capacity of a small child"?

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 21:05

and yes I am ignorant which is why I'm asking.

Actually asking all these questions makes me realise that there really should be more education about DS.

DixieNormas · 27/11/2015 21:06

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lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 21:14

fair. it would be great to see some stats, though, would give a better pictures. thanks for answering my questions anyway. fwiw I also have a mental illness but am happily medicated and functional :)

zzzzz · 27/11/2015 21:17

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CoteDAzur · 27/11/2015 22:04

"I don't think you need to bring intelligence into it"

Interesting that you think intelligence is irrelevant. Imho it is arguably the most important 'ability' we have and when it is severely limited, the most important disability.

As zzzz said (see below), low IQ is the main problem that people have with DS. Of course we need to bring intelligence into any discussion about why 94% of pregnant women choose to abort fetuses diagnosed with DS.

zzzzz Mon 23-Nov-15 14:51:03
The "problem" people have with DS is the learning disability.

Owllady · 27/11/2015 22:13

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lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 22:26

why are you calling cote names?

These are hard things to read, especially when it's about your baby whom you love unreservedly. But on the other hand, if you (general you) want the wider public to be better educated about Downs then these are questions - ie about IQ, about consent, etc - that need to be answered. Shouting people down, and calling them names, and making up rhymes because you don't like what they're getting at - just suggests that there must be some truth to what cote is suggesting or why would you be so emotional.