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Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/11/2015 17:29

On the day Natty was born, I wasn't sure I was up to being her mother. Ignorance took over. Everything I thought I knew about Down's syndrome was a smattering of outdated stereotypes, all of which have subsequently been proved wrong.

In eight years, we have come so far as a family, risen to challenges, endured heart surgery, made adjustments and learnt to slow our pace and live in the moment. I wouldn't change any of it. I am a better person now. The pregnant woman I was, whose heart was filled with fear at the words Down's syndrome, now shakes her head in disbelief.

I've been bleary-eyed over research for this post. And, in fact, as I rose at 5.30am, drafts of what I would write very much in my mind, there was one member of our busy household who noticed my pensiveness. Natty drew me down to her face level, looked intuitively at me and said 'It's OK Mummy.'

I held her so tight, and made a silent promise into her warm hair, a promise that I would do my best to convey her worth to the world.

Because while we praise advances in healthcare and women's control over their reproductive lives, there is an important ethical debate I fear is being overlooked.

A new non-invasive prenatal test (NIPT) could help identify women whose babies have Down's syndrome. The test involves taking a sample of blood from the mother and it uses this to detect the baby's DNA.

At the moment, the NIPT test is available privately, but it could soon be rolled out by the NHS as part of their population screening programme. The UK National Screening Committee has just ended consultation over offering it - it can only be added to the programme if there is a beneficial reason for doing so.

However, there is no health gain in diagnosing Down's syndrome during pregnancy. It cannot be treated or prevented. It simply allows parents to decide whether to continue a pregnancy to term or not.

There are ethical implications to genetic testing, but no easy answers. The UNESCO International Bioethics Committee says that genetic testing can offer women the right of choice. However, it could also become routine that ill or disabled children are not to given the choice of birth at all.

So giving women choice whilst not devaluing individuals with Down's syndrome is a fine line to tread.

We must ensure that parents are given unbiased, updated information in order to make informed choices. There can be no assumption that those with Down's syndrome are not compatible with life - or worse, that they are too costly to have a right to life.

We are promised that the new NIPT can allow parents to be prepared for their baby's arrival and that it will not increase termination rates. However, in countries where Down's syndrome screening has been standard for years, termination rates stand at almost 100%. Are these tests being sold as a kind form of early euthanasia to trusting expectant parents - and will a whole genetic group of people be targeted in the process?

The support networks we have in place simply aren't as sophisticated as the genetic tests being considered. We must explain test implications and outcomes, support those who choose a termination and give equal care to those who choose to continue their pregnancies. We need charities that aren't partnered with the test manufacturers.

If parents are rushed into terminations, or asked repeatedly if they would like to end their pregnancies, then we are certainly sending out the message that some lives are worth a great deal less than others.

We need the screening committee to welcome input from parental groups and self-advocates. We need to match up the wonderful examples of best practice by bringing committed midwives and learning disability nurses together, and we need to accept the value of difference.

Society has come a long way from the days when children with Down's syndrome were institutionalised with little or no love, educational support or quality healthcare. We hope Natty will find employment she enjoys, have a partner of her choosing, a social life fuller than ours and live a long, healthy life independently with support.

I cannot bear to think that one day I will have to explain to Natty why others think her adored life is not worth living, or even justify her very existence. But here I am, already doing just that.

And, most of all, I fear that one day I will be grieving, as others celebrate the eradication of all children like my beautiful daughter. No Natty, maybe it's not OK.

The BBC is making a documentary about Down's syndrome, which Hayley Gowleniowska is contributing to. If you are affected by the tests and interested in an initial off-the-record research chat, please contact Clare at [email protected].

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Owllady · 27/11/2015 14:30

Pass me the smelling salts :o
Wtf :o

I really can't contribute any more to this thread as its half making me Shock Confused Angry and half laugh out loud t:o hat people could quite spectacularly miss the point and be so ignorant and rude.

You are right xenia, I don't hang around with people who wouldn't wish to have a child such as my daughter. I don't want to. It doesn't take that much of a stretch in the imagination! I do have Neuro typical children too you know, they aren't any more superior to their sister, than she is inferior to them. It's not that complicated.

You can discuss choice for women with making ignorant and nasty comments about those with disabilities or their carers.

You know, if you read through the thread, it's not 'us' (parents of children with disabilities) and 'them' (those who have have had a termination for abnormality) it's a handful of posters who are upsetting both 'sides' with crass, insensitive posting.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 14:39

"to whom am I saying it is kinder if disabled children are not born. I would say you almost owe it to the other children in a family and also your spouse and relatives, never mind the economic burden which sometimes falls on the state and other tax payers"

reminds me of a certain Nazi poster.

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 14:39

as in an actual paper poster, not an MN poster, although the lines can be blurred sometimes.

DixieNormas · 27/11/2015 14:42

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 14:43

this one

Guest post: "I fear the eradication of Down's syndrome"
zzzzz · 27/11/2015 14:46

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fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 14:47

"Propaganda for Nazi Germany's T-4 Euthanasia Program: "This person suffering from hereditary defects costs the community 60,000 Reichsmark during his lifetime. Fellow German, that is your money, too." from the Office of Racial Policy's Neues Volk."

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 14:47

Obviously euthanasia is worse but I find the idea that we have duty to abort disabled foetuses because of the financial cost along the same lines as this.

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BishopBrennansArse · 27/11/2015 15:49

Once again a person'a worth cannot be measured in monetary terms.

DeoGratias · 27/11/2015 16:41

94% of British people who hvae a test then abort a down's baby. That is why the thread is so imkportant. The fact those who don't test or are in the 6% have the opposing view and are represented on this thread does not change the statistic. However the more we talk to each other and communicate the better. It is when people do not that bigger problems lie.

It may you can convince the 94% to change their views so nearly 100x more down's babies are born each year in the UK than currently are.

3 down's babies are aborted very day in the UK.
(The BMJ article on this link gives a 92% not 94% statistic and also mentions that as women are having babies later more down's babies are being conceived but births are reduced (because of the abortion rate)
www.bmj.com/content/339/bmj.b3794 )

IceBeing · 27/11/2015 17:34

dixes thank you for your answer - some more ideas for me to think on!

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lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:20

cote: I can't see an "education campaign" having much effect. Sure, you can tell people that it is not as hard as they think, but at the end of the day you are still telling them to have a child who will always remain a child. Not many people will want to do that, whatever information you give them."

yes, the education campaign would have to prove that adults with DS can live independently and support themselves, also what are their health outcomes like, or, if not that, is there some institution where they can be safe and looked after once their parents die, are they able to function safetly in society, etc. These are all things many people (like myself) would be concerned about in the long term vis a vis bringing a DS baby into the world.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:22

also, what about relationships and sex? DS adults are going to be sexual beings just like NT ones, they're going to want to have sex etc. There's a lot of facets there to think about.

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lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:28

like, consent. can a DS adult consent to sexual relations? does it matter if the partner is NT or DS? FWIW a friend of mine's DS daughter got into a relationship as a teenager with a 40 year old man and she's been with him ever since. What about contraception? parenting? would there be supports in place for DS married adults, say, to parent children? SO MANY QUESTIONS

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:30

does having a lower IQ mean, once family members have died/and or are unable to help, the DS adult would be vulnerable to exploitation and abuse? I'd be really worried about that.

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:32

is there an accepted IQ level that an adult has to have to be able to give consent? does anyone know?

Owllady · 27/11/2015 20:32

Erm what on earth is wrong with adults with learning disabilities having relationships and sexual relationships if they are appropriate and consensual?

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:33

I don't know owllady? is there something wrong with that?

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:34

again, what is the legal standard for consent in law?

fanjoforthemammaries7850 · 27/11/2015 20:34

Is name changing on a thread sockpuppeting?

lastuseraccount123 · 27/11/2015 20:35

I don't know? is it?