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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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squidzin · 07/11/2015 23:41

oops... gender based role influences in schools and view gender stereotyping as damaging.

They don't mention transwomen. They seem inclusive to men and women equally.

vindscreenviper · 07/11/2015 23:44

I agree with Amelia and Queen, how is the WEP defining "woman"? Have they actually defined it?
The idea of a vulnerable woman having to share a women's refuge, or prison cell, with a violent, highly sexed person with a functioning penis is abhorrent to me. I don't think that this is a radical view but I'm not seeing many mainstream politicians sharing it.

DioneTheDiabolist · 07/11/2015 23:45

X-posted with you Kittle.

Our society is changing. The changes will and should always be discussed. Difficulties and challenges will arise, be discussed and hopefully be resolved. What I don't accept is that millions of women be told "we can't/won't deal with your very real, immediate, life changing, historically systemic problems because a few born males are also challenging stuff."

Seriously? The millions of women who need equality, safety and security now have to wait until we deal with a tiny number of men?

AmeliaNeedsHelp · 07/11/2015 23:49

I personally would love to talk about promoting policies which rebalance society so that women are valued. I'd love there to be a political party specifically devoted to those issues - to raise awareness and change conversations and minds. But I just don't understand how that can be done if we don't have a common understanding on what the word 'woman' means. If I'm missing something, please point it out. How can we even name the problems, let alone solve them, if there is no longer a word which means 'human biological female'?

AmeliaNeedsHelp · 07/11/2015 23:56

dione, that's exactly the problem. Women trying to discuss women's issues and protect the right to sex segregated spaces are being attacked. Women's prisons are now a free for all for any man who claims to feel like a woman. It is a very real attack on women's rights and it matters. It cannot be brushed under the carpet or ignored. The right to sex segregated spaces is pivotal imo, and I personally cannot support a political party which does not support that right.

Kittlekattle · 08/11/2015 00:52

I agree Dione. A few born males are silencing feminists from talking about the problems that affect millions of women eg the cancellation of feminist conferences and the recent noplatforming of Germaine Greer. A Professor of womens studies tried to ban the use of 'male' or 'female' in class saying they were transphobic and people have been told talking about menstruation is transphobic. MN is one of the few places publicly that women can talk about this issue and not be banned by moderators. Therefore I wanted to make the point here that WEP could easily be sidetracked into campaigning for this small group of born males as other feminist groups have been.
At the least WEP need to foresee this issue and decide what they are going to do about it. I would understand if they decided to not take a stance on this or try to avoid making comment. It sits badly with me as its the typical response of women to patriarchy - to shut up and put up. However they probably would be noplatformed if they challenge the transactivists too much and lose any hope of making progress in other areas. However, even if they make no stance on trans issues, I sincerely hope they will not campaign for positions that are actively anti-women as they have done with the Tara Hudson issue.

HairyLittleCarrot · 08/11/2015 01:08

I'm sure the WEP have been following this thread and it has occurred to me that they really must proceed with caution. If they so much as drop a hint on the thread that acknowledges some of the points we have made then the next day's news is going to be WEP terf hatred party of discrimination bigots blah blah and they will be fire-fighting a losing battle from that moment. Things will be over before they have begun.
most political parties would have strategic advisors to help position their stance, especially on a hugely controversial topic. The party needs to act wisely and consider how to convey their position in the most well planned, strategically timed and worded manner. So whilst I hope they do pop back to address our questions I hope they have wise counsel on how to do this.
(Sandi, if you've heard us you can just give us a nod and a wink and we'll get the message)Wink

DioneTheDiabolist · 08/11/2015 02:42

Amelia, my sisters, mothers, aunts, friends, clients, colleagues and neighbours are women. I am a woman. I do not need others to agree a definition of "woman" to understand the difficulties we face and what we need to do to make ours a better society for women. I hope you find an agreeable definition soon.

Kittle, AFAI can see, there is not silencing, there is distraction going on here. The media, the law, the judiciary are more than keen to keep this issue going. And who benefits? Certainly not the millions of women who live in the UK who need help right now with living in this system. You say the WEP is at risk of being sidetracked by a few born males. Their guest post has already been sidetracked. Posters here have said that they cannot discuss the problems faced by women in our society until they have an agreed on definition of "woman". While I agree that they should do that, I do not agree that tge rest of us should wait while they do.

HermioneWeasley · 08/11/2015 08:17

Germaine Greer's cancelled talk at Cardiff was about women's issues - absolutely nothing to do with trans issues. But she was no platformed because of her views on trans people. This has happened to other speakers (from memory Julie Bindel?)

I would LOVE for this not to be an issue, believe me! But while we have silencing of feminists because they do not follow the dogma and want to discuss issues which affect women and girls but not TW, then I fear this will have to be resolved.

Rights4Women · 08/11/2015 08:17

I do see your point Dione and a year or so ago I would have been with you and agreeing with you, I would have said that support of transwomen is a side issue and we could work that bit out later.

But as I have seen prominent feminists shut down and no-platformed if they don't fight for trans rights above fighting for womens' rights (even when they don't actually want to discuss trans politics), and those speaking about womens' biological issues being vilified for discussing biology that doesn't include transwomen then it has become clear that the transactivists/MRAs (often they are one and the same) have made this issue a priority to get sorted above things that really should be ahead in the queue. Otherwise our efforts will be hijacked and twisted and actually cause more harm to women.

Even writing this I have felt the need to name change because of the abuse and threats out there to women who don't follow the trans line. What other (femenist or otherwise) issue (in the UK) makes women feel that threatened when they even try to discuss it?

Kittlekattle · 08/11/2015 08:53

Well, I do think noplatforming is a form of silencing and I think that fear of being threatened, losing ones job or even just being seen as a bigot does stop women from speaking out too publicly. However I have noticed a number of individuals and organisations expressed gender critcal concerns on the Parlimentary Enquiry I mentioned. On a personal level I've started to discuss this tentatively with colleagues and found many who agree so I hope you are right Dione.

And again, I do agree Smile - there are major problems that we should not get completely side tracked over. So in that spirit - my list of things I would like campaigned on are:
Austerity absolutely is affecting women more than men and as many voices demonstrating why austerity is cruel economic nonsense are important.
I increasingly think there should be women only quotas in certain jobs eg boardrooms, politics.
I dont believe childcare should be cheap as I expect that this important work should be adequately paid, it is mostly done by women which is why it is low-paid. Instead I think the government should subsidise this adequately. I also think there should be incentives such as shared parental leave so men are encouraged to step up to their responsibilities. I also feel this about the caring responsibilitites so many women take on for older or disabled people, either on an unpaid basis or the thousands of underpaid care workers in the UK.
I would like to see schools and nurserys and teacher training colleges targeted around their use of gender stereotypes. I have been hugely shocked that teachers buy so much into the idea boys and girls learn differently because of different brain wiring which translates as girls good at english boys good at STEM and the subtle and really not so subtle ways my daughter has been encouraged in particular directions because of that attitude. I would also like to see a higher quality of PSHE including womens rights issues and discussions on consent.
I think sexist assaults and harrassment should also have the status of hate-crime. We need some way to make it clear how completely unacceptable this is rather than the constant minimisation that occurs now.

iwantanewcar · 08/11/2015 10:12

Kittle - I agree with most of your post (apart from shared parenting) but I also agree with Dione. There are other more important priorities than transgender.

HermioneWeasley · 08/11/2015 10:12

kittle, that's a great list

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ArcheryAnnie · 08/11/2015 12:03

I'm a bit disappointed that Sandi hasn't come back to engage. I am a huge admirer of hers (and once served her when I worked at a lesbian bar

ArcheryAnnie · 08/11/2015 12:04

And trans issues have to be sorted out if we have a hope in hell of talking about everything else to do with women without being shut down, shouted out or derailed. It really is dominating discourse, and it won't help if we ignore it.

feministmom · 08/11/2015 12:14

"How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence"

Men and boys also live in poverty, and men are more likely to be victims of assault or murder than women.

"and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare?"

To put it bluntly, the world does not owe your child anything. If you don't like it don't have so many children. They are your responsibility not that of the taxpayer. I don't work my butt off so you can have 10 children.

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SeekEveryEveryKnownHidingPlace · 08/11/2015 12:16

I almost feel we've been 'San-splained' and then left to come to the obvious conclusion that WEP is the party for us!

But right now, feminist debate is so utterly taken over by this trans stuff, and it's so obviously an issue, that anyone who seeks to speak and advocate for women and their rights really, really, needs to define and defend her position on it.

That's what I think.

ArcheryAnnie · 08/11/2015 12:30

Where has anyone on this thread either talked abouyt or treated trans women in a "truly disgusting" way, feministmom?

And are you fine with the gendered insults and death threats (towards both
women and gender-critical trans women) from the extreme trans activists, feministmom? And the misogyny and ageism directed towards Greer?

QueenStromba · 08/11/2015 12:42

I really don't understand how people can be informed of what is going on and not see that it is the single biggest issue that women are facing today.

Transactivists want transwomen to have unfettered access to all women's spaces and services. They also want to be able to self define as women. The logical endpoint of these two aims is that any man will have unfettered access to all women's spaces and services. We would no longer have the right to meet as just biological women which would make it damn near impossible to organise sufficiently to win that right back or do anything that solely benefits women.

In many circles it is deemed transphobic to discuss the physical issues that come with being a human female (menstruation, gestation, lactation etc). This is not a fringe view, as evidenced by the fact that pregnancy literature in Canada no longer refers to women. Again, this makes organising and lobbying for women's services an uphill struggle. How do we fight against FGM or for sanitary facilities in schools so that girls in the developing world don't miss a week of school every month when we can no longer identify these as women's issues?

Transwomen are already being counted as women for statistical purposes. How can we identify inequality when the data is junk?

dontcallmecis · 08/11/2015 13:30

I think a live webchat is called for.

TheCountessofFitzdotterel · 08/11/2015 13:47

I will have every sympathy if WEP dodges the issue. It is a tricky one, strategically. But I am not going to risk supporting a party that actively campaigns AGAINST the interests of the most vulnerable women which is what the Tara Hudson tweet may indicate.

vesuvia · 08/11/2015 14:30

I wish WEP good luck. I hope tackling rape culture and violence against women will be given very high priority in WEP's policies.

I think one of the problems with getting across the message of equality to the general public is that so many people think that equality means making equal improvements for everyone, e.g. give one pound to a beggar and one pound to a billionaire. That type of equality is problematic because it can never narrow the gap, and the privilege of the already privileged is maintained.

I think it's essential for WEP to be very clear on what it means by equality, because so many people mistakenly believe that men and women are already equal, and when they see a party with "Womens' Equality" in its name, they'll mistakenly assume that the party will be promoting women's rights at the expense of men's rights.

I think it is unfair of some MN posters on this thread to complain that Sandi Toksvig hasn't responded immediately to their concerns. I doubt that Sandi was responsible for the posting time of her guest blog (at 17:52 on a Friday afternoon). Perhaps she has taken the weekend off? Is that not allowed? The UK is not currently in the middle of a general election campaign, so I suggest that it would be polite to cut Sandi some slack on her response times, and accept that WEP politicians don't need to be on call 24/7 at this stage in WEP's infancy and the electoral cycle.

vesuvia · 08/11/2015 14:34

oops, I meant 17:49 :)

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