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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

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Garlick · 13/11/2015 02:12

Peter Cook, the Cambridge Rapist.

Warning: this blog reads like a horror museum. Don't click if you're easily upset. It highlights some worrying true stories. allisonslaw.wordpress.com/category/male-criminal-reported-as-female/

slugseatlettuce · 13/11/2015 08:03

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ArcheryAnnie · 13/11/2015 09:45

Having just repudiated KateMumsnet's last post to me, I also would like to recognise MNHQ's bravery on this - Kate replied to me in a public post rather than deleting something I said which MNHQ clearly disagreed with, and they left my reply up there, too, which not every forum would. This is worth rubies and diamonds, in internet terms, and I am grateful.

I do see why WEP would be incredibly nervous of addressing trans issues at all - but, as others have said, they started it by signalling their support for a violent male going into a women's prison. They'd have done a lot better to avoid it entirely until they'd had a chance to talk it over, and see what their membership wanted.

QueenStromba · 13/11/2015 09:52

You wouldn't need many Peter Cook's to skew the stats.

I had a bit of a play with the homicide stats for 2013/14 (table 2.14 from the third entry down here).

There were 282 men and 22 women convicted of all types of homicide for a total of 304 individuals. So 92.8% of offenders are men and 7.2% are women.

If you assume that the rate of male transgender individuals is 0.2% then 0.846 of a man will now be counted under women. Now 92.5% of offenders are men and 7.5% are women - that makes bugger all difference on the men's side but is a 3.85% increase in offending for women (or 4.55% if we are rounding up or down to whole individuals).

If the rate of male transgender individuals is 2% then 5.64 men will now be counted as women. Now 90.9% of offenders are men and 9.1% are women which is a staggering 25.6% increase in women offenders (or 27.3% if you feel a bit silly working with 0.64 of an individual).

You'd only actually need 7.8% of men to be transgender, or claim transgender status, in order to double the rate of homicide by women. The UK's gender identity specialists are already seeing violent and sexually violent criminals claiming transgender status for the benefits it confers so it's not such a huge leap.

HamaTime · 13/11/2015 10:19

this from a Professor of Psychiatry at Johns Hopkins is interesting

'Its treatment should not be directed at the body as with surgery and hormones any more than one treats obesity-fearing anorexic patients with liposuction.'

It also says 'Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers.'

That's a horrifying statistic, not just the numbers, but that fact that people are committing suicide 10-15 years post op when the popular narrative is hormones and surgery are necessary to prevent suicide.

BeyondThirty · 13/11/2015 10:24

Queenstroma, it makes me wonder why those after the improved status arent claiming agender and so they must be kept home on a tag? As there is no agender prison at all?
Or have i just given them an idea!?

howtorebuild · 13/11/2015 10:31

also says 'Ten to fifteen years after surgical reassignment, the suicide rate of those who had undergone sex-reassignment surgery rose to twenty times that of comparable peers.'

If those stats are known, why on earth are people put forward for hormones and surgery?

reni2 · 13/11/2015 10:35

Is that because 10 years after surgery people realise this is as good as it gets, they are still of course not a woman and now there are no further fixes at hand? Then the comparatively lower suicide rate among pre-ops requires the op to be available?

QueenStromba · 13/11/2015 10:36

Interesting link Hamatime. I feel the need to point out that comparable peers in this case means matched for birth sex and age and not people with gender dysphoria who haven't transitioned. It still puts suicide rates at about the same for those who have and haven't had surgery i.e. the surgery does nothing in terms of saving lives. Johns Hopkins were pioneers in SRS but stopped doing it because they realised it doesn't actually help.

QueenStromba · 13/11/2015 10:44

I think it's because of the T being lumped in with LGB. It makes people think of them as pretty much the same thing and so makes any attempt to cure/treat gender dysphoria by mental health professionals seem akin to conversion therapy in homosexuals.

The lack of follow up for more than a year or two after SRS also helps to mask the fact that it doesn't help. The Swedish study gets a bashing by transgenderists for being 'small' (every single person to have had surgery for a condition in a country doesn't seem small to me and 324 people is a reasonable sample size anyway) because they don't like the results.

whatdoIget · 13/11/2015 10:44

It's so sad. People are being sold an idea that surgery and hormones will fix their mental anguish and it doesn't even seem to be true.
On another thread a poster was saying that it's suspicious that all this has taken off at a time when less HRT is being prescribed to women for various reasons, eg that drug companies have seen a chance to create a demand amongst men for female hormones, now they are having more difficulty selling them to women.
People are being exploited Sad

ArcheryAnnie · 13/11/2015 10:44

I think there's also another factor - one that feeds into the "I'm the most oppressed person ever - far more oppressed that those silly whining cis women" trans narrative. It's that people who were born with male bodies and have lived all their lives as male have no fucking idea what it's like to be female. They simply have no idea how they treat women, or how they will be treated if they are viewed as women. So, when they get everything they ever thought they wanted - transition - and are treated as women (ie: badly) they think it's because they are trans, and so go ballistic. (This is despite and including the factor that they will have had male socialisation, so will broadly be more confident, expected to caretake less, etc. so will already be operating from a position of greater privilege than born women.)

CactusAnnie · 13/11/2015 10:46

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howtorebuild · 13/11/2015 10:51

People are being exploited

Yes

HamaTime · 13/11/2015 10:55

I think it's because of the T being lumped in with LGB. It makes people think of them as pretty much the same thing and so makes any attempt to cure/treat gender dysphoria by mental health professionals seem akin to conversion therapy in homosexuals

I think that's true, yet we are all willing to look aghast at people with body dysmorphia who plastic surgery themselves to buggery and say they should have had counselling instead.

QueenStromba · 13/11/2015 11:05

Yup - nobody bats an eyelid that Chloe Jennings-White has had, presumably, intensive medical intervention to 'become a woman' but are aghast that they want to become a paraplegic. It's insane.

reni2 · 13/11/2015 11:18

Anybody else feel like they are sitting in a Monty Python sketch? The People's Front of Judea, Stan has said he's Loretta:

Stan: I want to have babies.
Reg: You want to have babies?!?!
Stan: It's every man's right to have babies if he wants them.
Reg: But ... you can't HAVE babies!
Stan: Don't you oppress me!

HermioneWeasley · 13/11/2015 13:06

Reni2 - these debates constantly put me in mind of that sketch!

reni2 · 13/11/2015 21:43

To whom it may concern

Reni is a little jaded with this discussion. I'd like to excuse her, she is on her period. Thank you for understanding, Reni's mum *

  • I fully understand not all "her" and "she" identified people menstruate and not all people menstruating identify as "she"

** Reni's hosting uterus bearer, I understand not all people carrying a child identify as "mum"

YoniMitchell · 14/11/2015 08:23

OMFG. I have just read this whole thread (clearly I'm not as busy as Sophie) and can't believe how shoddily the Whatever Equality Party has handled this whole thing. Half-baked ideas, half-arsed approach and half-hearted delivery.

I would love to be able to leap in and support a party that truly represented and fought for women but looks like I'm still waiting for that group to emerge.

Many posters here (Queenstromba, Empress, Annie, Hairylittlecarrot and others) have articulated my thoughts so well I have little to add. Although I would echo the pp's suggestion of you forming a party!

Sandi and Sophie, how disappointing.

TiggyD · 14/11/2015 09:16

And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles.

Is that a half baked idea Yoni? More diverse role models to stop that "looking after children is women's work" idea children get?

WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare.

Are you against that?

ShortcutButton · 14/11/2015 09:27

That article featuring Chloe Kenning White is interesting. Last time I read about her she was using a wheelchair even though she didn't need one. She was trying to find a doctor that would sever her spinal chord. This article says 'a recent disability forced her into a wheelchair'. I wonder if she found that surgeon? None of articles ever mention that she is transgemder

I view transgenderism and transablism as the dame kind of 'disorder'. But that is massively offensive to TG people, for reasons i cannot fathom

YoniMitchell · 14/11/2015 10:08

But as has been discussed at length on this thread, WEP appears to have a pretty substantial contradiction (whether that's intentional/accidental) that skews what they're pitching as a central tenet.

ShortcutButton · 14/11/2015 10:41

I like what Mhari (?) Black said in her maiden speech in parliament and I think it applies here. I think she was quoting the great Tony Benn, when she said; in politics you have weather veins and sign-posts. weather veins blow in the wind whilst sign posts stand strong and show you the way you should be going

I'd be interested to hear JC views expressed on TG vs women's issues and definition of 'women'

TiggyD · 14/11/2015 10:41

So because WEP include trans women as women you don't support their ambition of everybody being able to access to affordable, high-quality childcare?

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