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Guest post: Sandi Toksvig - "The time is right for the Women's Equality Party"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 06/11/2015 17:49

I'm rather old fashioned in my beliefs. I always thought that when Parliament passed a law, people were supposed to take notice. So how is it that 45 years ago an Equal Pay Act was introduced, and yet no one has really acted to make sure we get it? When I mentioned the gender pay gap to the environment minister, Liz Truss, she said "It's smaller than it's ever been." It's at 19%. How big was it before?

Much of the world baffles me. How does the UK tolerate the fact that so many women because they are women still live in poverty, suffer harassment and violence, and abandon careers they enjoy because of the exorbitant costs of childcare? I've come to the sad conclusion that in its current form our political system can't be trusted to deal with any of this. There are twice as many men as women in the House of Commons, and they seem to spend most of their time shouting and jeering at one another. Frankly, like many of you, I'm embarrassed by it. Seven months ago, in conversation with my friend Catherine Mayer, I realised it was time for us to take matters into our own hands.

So in March 2015 we founded the Women's Equality Party, a new political force that (we hoped) would unite people of all genders, ages, backgrounds, ethnicities, beliefs and experiences in the shared determination to see women enjoy the same rights and opportunities as men. It would be something new. Non-partisan. Attracting people from the left, from the right, from the centre. People who have had enough of waiting for equality. I have to say even at my most ambitious and optimistic, I could not have predicted the flood of support that soon washed over us. Within seven months WE have more than 50,000 members and supporters, ably led by Sophie Walker, 65 branches across the country and will be standing candidates in the spring elections.

This is not some dreamy group wistfully hoping for change. Late last month, just six months after that initial conversation, I found myself sitting in a hall packed with cheering activists and supporters, clutching a book of wonderfully pragmatic policy proposals. Policies developed through close consultation with experts and our members, and representing the experiences and concerns of thousands of women and men across the country.

WE heard from mothers who want to go back to work but can't, because of crippling childcare costs, and because so few workplaces have actually embraced flexible working.

WE heard from mothers who choose to stay at home, but feel dismissed by society for doing so because, despite its immense value, caring labour is still not recognised, respected and supported.

WE heard from fathers who desperately want to share the joys and responsibilities of parenthood, but are stigmatised for wanting to balance work and home life.

All these experiences reinforced our awareness that care is not taken seriously in our society, nor are the people who care.

WE want to change that.

That's why we propose a dramatic overhaul of parental leave policy. We would guarantee both parents six weeks of non-transferable leave on 90% pay, with an additional 10 months of shared parental leave at statutory pay. This policy would, of course, encompass same-sex couples and adoptive parents, while single parents would be entitled to nominate a second caregiver.

Once this period of leave has passed, WE believe that families should immediately have access to affordable, high-quality childcare. The educational benefits of childcare are clearest in the first 15 hours a week, so those hours should be entirely state funded, with the rest payable at one pound per hour by parents.

These policies are good for women, who have greater freedom to balance work and home life (which will, of course, mean different things to different people). But they're also excellent for men who, for too long, have been excluded from participating fully in family life because care is seen as unmanly, and paternity leave as unprofessional.

Of course, all of our policies require a blend of legislative and cultural change. The reason the Equal Pay Act still isn't working properly is because back in 1970 we changed the law without changing the way people think.

And that's where education comes in.

Many people think equality in education has already been achieved, since girls consistently outperform boys academically. But education is about more than grades, it's about learning how to live, and work, and build relationships. And at present, our children are learning to live according to ludicrous, outdated notions of 'masculine' and 'feminine' behaviour.

So WE want more diverse role models for both boys and girls, starting with encouraging more men to enter primary school teaching and other caring roles. And WE want careers guidance that pays no heed to gender when helping young people to map their futures. And WE want proper, honest sex and relationships education to finally become a reality.

It all sounds very obvious and straightforward, doesn't it? Sadly, enacting these policies will be a lot harder than formulating them. And that's why WE need you. Join us, share your ideas. The time is right for this movement, and WE want you to be part of it.

Photo: Fiona Hanson

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HermioneWeasley · 12/11/2015 19:19

Hama 's post about the inconsistency of their position on gender is spot on

howtorebuild · 12/11/2015 19:36

My daughter noted this:

I looked on their website and I'll show you in a moment. But you could argue that Tara being put is a women's prison is simply a way for the government to save money and compleatly disregarding the safety of women as a result. Something the wep are opposed to. They are hypocrites.

www.womensequality.org.uk/end_violence_against_women
www.womensequality.org.uk/sanctuary_for_all_those_fleeing_abuse

Two women are killed every week by a partner or former partner. These deaths have to stop.

Fleeing an abusive partner can be the most dangerous time for a victim of domestic violence and her family. But refuges and housing services for domestic violence victims are being cut back. One in three victims is turned away from a refuge for lack of space.

WE believe in the absolute right to a place of sanctuary for women, children and other victims of domestic abuse. It shouldn’t matter whether money is tight in government or not: these services save lives.

WE will create a support fund for victims of domestic violence – including legal aid, refuge spaces, supported housing, advice and support, paid for by reversing the unfair tax breaks for married couples that discriminate against single parents and unmarried couples.

kua · 12/11/2015 19:43

I have to say that I too am disappointed with KateMumsnet response.

I am also very busy with other commitments, but as I am interested in women's equality, I made a point to read the OP and respond. But Hey Ho, these women are obviously busier than me so should give them some slack so to speak.

I'm not sure any other party would have had the same comment from HQ.

QueenStromba · 12/11/2015 19:45

But if, as the WEP seems to want, any man can just self identify as a woman and be treated exactly like a woman then there's nothing stopping abusers from putting on a frock and following their victims into the shelters.

PlentyOfPubeGardens · 12/11/2015 20:19

I do think a big part of the problem is the 'guest post' format and how it's presented to contributors. I suspect most of them view it in a similar way to submitting an article to a newspaper - there may be readers' comments below the line but the author of the article doesn't feel obliged to get involved in the discussion. Trouble is, MN is a community, not a newspaper, and we expect the OP of a thread to stick around and contribute, not post-and-run.

I've decided I don't like 'guest posts', except for the occasional one by a MNer (like MrsDV's the other day) where of course the OP stays and joins in. Webchats are worthwhile, and those Q&A things, but I don't think I'll bother with any more Guest Posts.

Of course once WEP realised we were expecting responses the wise thing to do would have been to engage but they haven't. I think they just don't know what to do and are hoping if they keep quiet long enough we'll all go away and they can forget about it.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 20:44

Forgetting that a substantial number of those who go away are their previous members / supporters / prospective members.

QueenStromba · 12/11/2015 21:07

I'm not going to go away - not going away when someone has pissed me off is my hobby.

IrenetheQuaint · 12/11/2015 21:16

Poor WEP - I bet they had no idea what they were getting into with regard to the trans issue.

Given that they are not going to get themselves no-platformed by going all Germaine Greer, what sort of response/policy do posters feel would be both reasonable and strategic on their part, demonstrating that they are listening to women's concerns without getting monstered by the transactivists?

QueenStromba · 12/11/2015 21:18

If they didn't want to get involved with the trans issue then they shouldn't have retweeted the petition. They've said on here and on twitter that they stand by it and believe that anyone who says they are a women is a woman.

Lalsy · 12/11/2015 21:27

Can I just say there are some awesome posters on here - perhaps you should start a political party to campaign for women's equality? You could call it WEP....oh wait....Grin

DrDreReturns · 12/11/2015 21:27

I'm not sure any other party would have had the same comment from HQ.

Very good point.

HairyLittleCarrot · 12/11/2015 21:40

I wonder if part of the reason WEP and others decide to support a transactivist gender-supporting position, when everything else they purport to believe contradicts this (gender stereotypes are damaging, women are oppressed because of biology) is because of numbers?

By which I mean, they know that to support transactivism necessarily is in conflict with biological women's rights, but they are counting upon the numbers of trans folks being so low that the statistical impact of blurring the definition and measurements of biological women is negligible.

So there is an tacit understanding that 'women' really means biological women as it always has), but in all likelihood, a few biological males being included won't make much of a difference if their numbers are small and the huge number of biological women can afford to absorb any risk they present. So, yeah, not fair, but manageable, and they get to display their liberal tolerant badges without much guilt.

It's a gamble based upon betting that not enough men will transition to make that much impact on women. They know women will get thrown under the bus, but they are hoping it will be a low enough number to be acceptable collateral damage.

And yet, it doesn't take huge numbers of transwomen to impact all women. It only takes one legal precedent to change the course of future laws, and in areas where there are already huge sex-based differences in small cohorts (sex offending, male vs female MPs) it really doesn't take much of an influx to entirely misrepresent reality.

IrenetheQuaint · 12/11/2015 21:49

That sounds plausible, Carrot.

I suspect they retweeted the petition reflexively without reading all the background, and now don't want to retract because they know the transactivists would jump on them.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 21:59

And while the feminists jumping on them is awkward and maybe embarrassing, they know we're not going to try to ruin their careers or threaten them with death in a fire.

slugseatlettuce · 12/11/2015 22:00

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TheRealQueenOfEngland · 12/11/2015 22:06

I think it's fear. Women are toeing the line on trans issues out of fear of the backlash. I know I am. Do I think transwomen are women? No, I think they're men. Would I ever say this publicly in a way that identifies me? Never in a month of Sundays.

EmpressKnowsWhereHerTowelIs · 12/11/2015 22:16

On that note, I want to thank HQ FlowersWine for having the guts & integrity to allow these conversations on their boards. I know a certain amount of deleting goes on but this is probably one of the few remaining places on the web where we can discuss this. They're clearly braver than WEP.

HairyLittleCarrot · 12/11/2015 22:16

I fear the backlash too, but I'm gradually getting braver. I can feel a sea change in opinion on Mumsnet, people are expressing opinions on the main boards that months ago were the preserve of FWR. Women are reaching peak trans. This really is only a bubble, of course, but it gives me hope. That people are not completely entrenched.

Perhaps things will change in the actual, real world.

CharlieSierra · 12/11/2015 22:17

Queen is there a reason why it would be harmful to your career, or do you fear actual violence? Hope you don't mind me asking, I'm relatively new to all of this.

HairyLittleCarrot · 12/11/2015 22:21

Yes, well said Empress. I'm cross when the deleting happens but I am aware that MNHQ take significantly more risks in enabling open discussion than almost any other site and I am very, very grateful for this space.

I realise that MNHQ doing this exposes them to risks from people who want to threaten free speech and debate of ideas and sex/gender politics.

Hacking attacks and other nasty stuff is a real concern.

kua · 12/11/2015 22:25

I'll echo Empress in thanking HQ for allowing this conversation to thrive.

Garlick · 12/11/2015 22:41

Hairy, I post a terfy update on my FB wall - and occasionally on Twitter - about once a week. Have been doing it for a couple of months. It's proving interesting: at first they were studiously ignored, then I'd get notifications that someone had 'liked' my post - but when I went back, there were no likes so people were promptly un-liking Grin Now I get replies and have even had some lively, mutually respectful disagreements with trans allies. On Twitter, some gender critical trans people have followed me.

It's all very toe in the water and I am not any kind of 'voice', so have no platform to lose and am off most people's radar. But I wanted to share the gradual thawing, in hopes it will cheer people up!

To clarify, I self-identify as a terf for the same reason I self-identify as a woman: because that's what other people see. I am not transphobic and have very rarely 'felt like woman'.

reni2 · 12/11/2015 22:45

The non-censoring is of course the reason for mn success, so long may it continue.

Should it ever change it would just be a place for potty training advice.

RedDogsBeg · 12/11/2015 23:12

I have changed name for this as I don't want this post attached to my usual posting name.

Back in the 1970's a famous university town in England was rocked by a series of brutal rapes. The perpetrator was eventually caught and incarcerated in a male prison. However, this perpetrator frequently dressed as a woman and he used this fact to escape the scene of the crime on more than one occasion.

To follow the logic of the rhetoric which states that anyone who says they are a woman must be treated as such irrespective of their actual sex would mean that if this person committed these crimes now he could say he was a woman, point to the shed full of female clothes that he owned as proof and argue that he should be incarcerated in a female prison. His crimes would also be registered as crimes committed by a woman in the statistics.

People who don't believe that this could happen are deluding themselves and it need only happen once for untold damage to be caused and all the hand-wringing after the event and cries of "we didn't mean that to happen" will be cold comfort to those on the receiving end of this seriously flawed policy.

dontcallmecis · 13/11/2015 02:07

Queen is there a reason why it would be harmful to your career, or do you fear actual violence? Hope you don't mind me asking, I'm relatively new to all of this.

I was looking for work recently. I have a background in HR. The recruitment agent asked me if I'd be interested in a role they had going. It suited me perfectly. Corporate, part time, diversity role. LGBT focus. I'd been looking for work for a while. I said no. But I did think seriously about 'faking' it.

I don't fear violence having my opinion, no. But you could say that one decision has had the potential to impact my career. Of course I can't say that I would have got the job, but I won't ever know, will I? I still haven't found regular work.

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