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Guest post: Things that are not the same as losing a child

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/11/2015 14:07

I am not a writer. I am not a journalist. I don't even have a blog.

I don't have a platform. I don't have a fan-base of loyal followers ready to protect me from the trolls, real or imagined.

The only place I have written since I gave up my Open University degree is on various internet forums. All parenting; some more specialist than others.

I am that scary thing, that alien thing: I am a bereaved parent. And often it's just easier to use the internet to write about the loss of my beloved child than it is to speak out in the Real World. There are rules there. Rules about how I can behave.

On the internet, though, I get to say 'beloved child'. I can even get away with 'angel' or 'precious daughter' if I want. I can be sad. I can be emotional. I can reminisce and use mawkish language. These things are all allowed, even expected.

But one thing I can't do: I can't complain if someone compares their loss, their sadness, to mine. If I do that, I am no longer a figure to be pitied; I become a troll. A vicious, bitter troll, spitting out bile.

Please don't think I am the sort of person who doesn't care about the troubles of others. I do. I really do. I will listen and commiserate, and I will genuinely give a toss if someone is struggling with one of life's many challenges. But surely I get to draw the line when someone makes a comparison so insulting, so inappropriate, that it makes me think "oh no they didn't...". They did and they do - frequently. When that happens I don't need to be a troll, and no bile needs to be spat or any other body fluids spilled. I just need to raise my head above the parapet and say "No. That is not ok.".

Every September I sit on my hands as the Facebook statuses proclaim the grief of mums seeing their children off to university. "It's like they've died!" they say, and below this anguished cry a hundred comments agree and sympathise. "I am sat here in tears. My baby has gone to big school today. It's like a bereavement. I don't know what to do with myself" - followed by several of those particularly annoying emoticons with squirting eyes. "Oh hun I know! Xoxoxox." "Stay strong babe, sending hugs x."

These people are feeling something, but they sure as hell are not feeling the grief of a bereaved parent. Nor is the journalist who is mourning the loss of her children's early years. Because the children of those Facebook mums and the children of that journalist are NOT dead. And if your child is not dead you do not know what it is like to grieve for them.

You are allowed to be sad when your children grow up. You can spend time in quiet reflection. You can go up to their bedroom and feel wistful for days past. But do you really think you are allowed to compare your carefully crafted wistfulness to the pain of the mother or father who will never see their child again? You, who will be driving up at the end of term to pick up your son, or popping out at 3.15pm to meet your daughter at the school gates?

My daughter is not at university or sitting in a classroom. She is a small mound of ash in a pretty pink urn sitting in an alcove in my dining room. An alcove specially built by startled builders who asked me, "do you want to do something with this space, love?" when they were finishing off our kitchen extension. Imagine their surprise when I said "yes!" and rushed off to fetch my daughter's remains, so they could measure her up a second time for a snug wooden box. Because she is actually dead. The sort of dead that means that she is gone forever. Her little life came to an end on 27 April 2006. She was 14 years old.

I know what it's like to look at baby photos and feel that pang. How we miss their chubby cheeks and toddler tantrums; their funny little ways and mispronounced words. The difference for me, and for other bereaved parents, is that we don't have any new memories to add to the old. Those Facebook mums and that journalist will hopefully be able to fill their albums, memory cards or iClouds with hundreds of photos of their children. They can share the blurry, printed snaps at family gatherings and even get to laugh with their grandchildren about how silly daddy was when he was little.

I have some lovely memories of my beautiful girl, but even 10 years later those memories are obscured by a wall of horrific flashbacks. I can't seem to get through them, back to a time when my life was ridiculously perfect. So perfect that I might well have been stupid and smug enough to say something like "it's just like losing a child!".

Instead of a head full of pictures of that beautiful, lithe girl with masses of the thickest hair and the biggest blue eyes you've ever seen, I am trying to keep at bay the horrors of her last months; the memory of waiting till she had died so I could hold her one last time without causing her pain.

I am proud of her dignity and bravery, and awed by the extraordinary way she faced her own death.

I just wish she were still here. I wish that I was not a member of that troublesome, quibbling group who dares to say "No! That is not ok". The club that no one wants to belong to, but strangely so many people want to borrow from.

No. That is not ok.

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gerbo · 05/11/2015 21:12
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IMustNotForgetMyPasswordAgain · 05/11/2015 21:28

I think we all have moments of wistfulness about our children growing up, I can't get over how fucking stupid you'd have to be to compare it to a bereavement though.

Flowers MrsDeVere, for you and your beautiful daughter.

MackerelOfFact · 05/11/2015 21:59

It's not OK. None of it. Flowers

MartinRohdesBellybuttonFluff · 05/11/2015 22:06

MrsDeVere what a wonderful post. You are so right and so brave. RIP Billie.

Flowers from another bereaved parent to all bereaved parents out there.

winewolfhowls · 05/11/2015 22:07

A beautiful and moving post.

Canshopwillshop · 05/11/2015 22:12

It's not ok and you should be a writer.

SlinkyB · 05/11/2015 22:14

MrsDV you write so beautifully about Billie - always brings me to tears. Thinking of you Flowers

Well done for sticking up for all the bereaved parents out there. I couldn't believe how insensitive that newspaper article was.

PolterGoose · 05/11/2015 22:21

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GiddyOnZackHunt · 05/11/2015 22:22

Flowers and a Star for explaining it so clearly.

bringmelaughter · 05/11/2015 22:41

The original article seemed to come from a place of not understanding, and so many of us are the lucky ones who will never understand what losing a child is. But Liz Fraser's response to the criticism has been abhorrent. Really, calling bereaved mothers trolls, etc.

Liz all you had to do was show some understanding and compassion, maybe even a bit of empathy. We all make mistakes, it's how we deal with them that shows who we are. You have responded to criticism by name calling bereaved parents and by letting us all know how hard it is for you.

"Be careful with your words. Once they are said, they can only be forgiven not forgotten".

shadowfax07 · 05/11/2015 22:51

Like others, I said it on the other thread, and will say it again here.

No, it is not OK.

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StrangeLookingParasite · 05/11/2015 22:52

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NorksAreMessy · 05/11/2015 22:58
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Enfys1649 · 05/11/2015 23:01

Without a doubt, it's not OK. Staggeringly inept words from Liz Fraser and appalling editing on the Guardian's part.

MrsDeVere, you write beautifully. You have a real talent.
And your daughter is stunning.

To all bereaved Mumsnetters who have posted here and elsewhere, your voices certainly do deserve to be heard. You're all in my thoughts tonight Flowers

NorksAreMessy · 05/11/2015 23:05

Actually, I disagree with a few points in the first couple of sentences in your article.

You say you don't have a fan base, MrsDV. But You do.
You are massively respected and admired and loved by people you will never meet. I am a fan and I am clearly not alone

You say you are not a writer. Bloody hell you ARE a writer. You might not be paid Guardian rates and you might not spew out the minutiae of your life, or humourless, insensitive musings. But you are a writer.

Thank you for sharing Billie with us

GoringBit · 05/11/2015 23:07

Another one saying no, it is not ok.

Such an eloquent, moving piece of writing. I've tweeted a link to Liz Fraser, but I'm probably not the only one.

Flowers to everyone having to live with the unimaginable.

elliejjtiny · 05/11/2015 23:29

I've said this on the other thread but thankyou for sharing. Also thankyou to you and other bereaved mums who continue to offer advice and support to mums of chronically ill children after your own ill children have died. It's much appreciated.

MiscellaneousAssortment · 05/11/2015 23:44

MrsDeVere I thank you for this post, and for expressing the awful, terrible feelings that bereavement forces on you.

And to everyone who's lost their beautiful darling children, or other close family, I wish I knew your (mumsnet) names so I could name you every single one, and tell you that your grief and devastation is felt, and shared, and noticed. Everyone the same. The bitterest club in the world Flowers

I didn't lose a child, I lost my wonderful good sister, and now my gentle, genial daddy too. And I'm only alive because of my son lying here next to me asleep in my bed. Without him there would be no point in being here. And I don't know yet whether he has this genetic curse I bear.

So for just being alive, you amaze me.

It's hard enough to live with the all consuming pain of losing your closest family. But when you become aware of the rest of the world again, you realize you're out of step with society now, a persona non grata, marked out by grief. Unwelcome unless you can disguise the gut wrenching ripping rawness inside, with a veneer of sanitised Disney classic perky grief... Rated U, not even PG.

We live in a sanitized world which has pushed death out beyond the shadows. We no longer have the cultural rituals and etiquette to guide us through. And it brings out the worst in people.

Death is a social inconvenience. Death is an embarrassment.
Death is, well, a distasteful intrusion on other people's lives...

I suspect there's a barely hidden request at the back of many people's minds: that can we, just you know, piss off and stop upsetting people with our inconvenient tragedy, raw and gut wrenching loss, our inability to 'take a joke', or get over it already?

It's like we forget ourselves, socially speaking, and unless we can strap up the pain and slap on the mask, people don't want 'one of us' around. We let out the realness in.

We make them feel uncomfortable, and selfish, I guess they want to keep on putting themselves front and centre but then, people like us, we make people feel small minded or churlish in doing so, as really, REALLY, nothing 'trumps' death. And in my experience, people really resent that, even if you're not asking anything of them, some people resent the possibility of having to be kind and thoughtful, so they do anything to avoid you. And do anything to restore their world to a cushioned and controllable space where their biggest drama of the day is played out on social media.

I'm already annoying people by still grieving even a few months after. I think I'm supposed to be over it by now. But I'm not. Never will be. (Most of) My family is gone and it fucking hurts.

welshHairs · 06/11/2015 00:26
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SecretWitch · 06/11/2015 00:31

It is an honour and a privilege to share space in this world with you, Mrs.D. You could have hit back at that tasteless woman with vemon, you could have unleashed a torrent of well deserved abuse at a public figure who appeared bent on taunting grieving parents on social media. Instead, you showed us how loving, strong people deal with negativity. Thank you.

YellowTulips · 06/11/2015 00:42

No, it's not ok Flowers

I don't feel your pain, but I can say how much I admire the eloqance of your writing and the power of the message.

I can also say every child is physically beautiful, but be honest that your daughter was especially so.

I don't know you; but you and your daughter have educated me in both the meaning of loss and also conversely the meaning of life; how to cherish not only what we have now but the passing of time and embrace it.

Thank you.

YellowTulips · 06/11/2015 01:05

Misc - a sad, raw and articulate post.

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sandgrown · 06/11/2015 06:16
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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 06/11/2015 06:19

No it's not ok.

Your post, as always, filled my heart with tears for your pain and your loss. I'm so glad that it was moved here, as a guest post, and thus able to be shared out among the wider audience of the world - because your writing comes from the heart, from experience that few of us will ever have and none of us would ever want.

LF has nothing on you. Her biteback comments come from her inadequacy, and show the depths of her ignorance. Self awareness is sorely lacking there, and it shows.

Thanks for you, for Billie and for all the other bereaved parents, on here and elsewhere, who will be thanking you for putting their feelings so eloquently into words.

OffMyAyersRocker · 06/11/2015 06:45

Flowers for MrsD and all the bereaved parents on this thread. No it's not ok to compare the two and your post was very well written.

I want to thank you for putting things in to perspective. I'm sure there's a few of us at times that cant see the woods for the trees when parenting. This, your poignant words, helps make it clearer just what's important.

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