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Guest post: Things that are not the same as losing a child

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/11/2015 14:07

I am not a writer. I am not a journalist. I don't even have a blog.

I don't have a platform. I don't have a fan-base of loyal followers ready to protect me from the trolls, real or imagined.

The only place I have written since I gave up my Open University degree is on various internet forums. All parenting; some more specialist than others.

I am that scary thing, that alien thing: I am a bereaved parent. And often it's just easier to use the internet to write about the loss of my beloved child than it is to speak out in the Real World. There are rules there. Rules about how I can behave.

On the internet, though, I get to say 'beloved child'. I can even get away with 'angel' or 'precious daughter' if I want. I can be sad. I can be emotional. I can reminisce and use mawkish language. These things are all allowed, even expected.

But one thing I can't do: I can't complain if someone compares their loss, their sadness, to mine. If I do that, I am no longer a figure to be pitied; I become a troll. A vicious, bitter troll, spitting out bile.

Please don't think I am the sort of person who doesn't care about the troubles of others. I do. I really do. I will listen and commiserate, and I will genuinely give a toss if someone is struggling with one of life's many challenges. But surely I get to draw the line when someone makes a comparison so insulting, so inappropriate, that it makes me think "oh no they didn't...". They did and they do - frequently. When that happens I don't need to be a troll, and no bile needs to be spat or any other body fluids spilled. I just need to raise my head above the parapet and say "No. That is not ok.".

Every September I sit on my hands as the Facebook statuses proclaim the grief of mums seeing their children off to university. "It's like they've died!" they say, and below this anguished cry a hundred comments agree and sympathise. "I am sat here in tears. My baby has gone to big school today. It's like a bereavement. I don't know what to do with myself" - followed by several of those particularly annoying emoticons with squirting eyes. "Oh hun I know! Xoxoxox." "Stay strong babe, sending hugs x."

These people are feeling something, but they sure as hell are not feeling the grief of a bereaved parent. Nor is the journalist who is mourning the loss of her children's early years. Because the children of those Facebook mums and the children of that journalist are NOT dead. And if your child is not dead you do not know what it is like to grieve for them.

You are allowed to be sad when your children grow up. You can spend time in quiet reflection. You can go up to their bedroom and feel wistful for days past. But do you really think you are allowed to compare your carefully crafted wistfulness to the pain of the mother or father who will never see their child again? You, who will be driving up at the end of term to pick up your son, or popping out at 3.15pm to meet your daughter at the school gates?

My daughter is not at university or sitting in a classroom. She is a small mound of ash in a pretty pink urn sitting in an alcove in my dining room. An alcove specially built by startled builders who asked me, "do you want to do something with this space, love?" when they were finishing off our kitchen extension. Imagine their surprise when I said "yes!" and rushed off to fetch my daughter's remains, so they could measure her up a second time for a snug wooden box. Because she is actually dead. The sort of dead that means that she is gone forever. Her little life came to an end on 27 April 2006. She was 14 years old.

I know what it's like to look at baby photos and feel that pang. How we miss their chubby cheeks and toddler tantrums; their funny little ways and mispronounced words. The difference for me, and for other bereaved parents, is that we don't have any new memories to add to the old. Those Facebook mums and that journalist will hopefully be able to fill their albums, memory cards or iClouds with hundreds of photos of their children. They can share the blurry, printed snaps at family gatherings and even get to laugh with their grandchildren about how silly daddy was when he was little.

I have some lovely memories of my beautiful girl, but even 10 years later those memories are obscured by a wall of horrific flashbacks. I can't seem to get through them, back to a time when my life was ridiculously perfect. So perfect that I might well have been stupid and smug enough to say something like "it's just like losing a child!".

Instead of a head full of pictures of that beautiful, lithe girl with masses of the thickest hair and the biggest blue eyes you've ever seen, I am trying to keep at bay the horrors of her last months; the memory of waiting till she had died so I could hold her one last time without causing her pain.

I am proud of her dignity and bravery, and awed by the extraordinary way she faced her own death.

I just wish she were still here. I wish that I was not a member of that troublesome, quibbling group who dares to say "No! That is not ok". The club that no one wants to belong to, but strangely so many people want to borrow from.

No. That is not ok.

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SweetGrapes · 23/09/2016 09:55

Of course it's not the same! Flowers

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vickimac05 · 26/08/2016 20:45

No it is not Ok, from one bereaved Mum to another x i feel your pain x

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ArgyMargy · 13/11/2015 18:26

Oh MrsDeVere. I know your post would make me cry and it did. Your writing may not be professional but it is very very good. I know two people who have lost young adult children and every time I think of it my blood runs cold. I can't imagine there is anything worse for a mother to bear. No, of course it's not OK Flowers

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MrsKoala · 11/11/2015 22:49

Flowers for all of you. I wish i could think of something comforting. But i can't imagine any combination of words that could possibly make any difference. So instead i will just send my deepest sympathies.

well done all of you for writing so expressively and honestly.

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fanjodisfunction · 11/11/2015 20:30

Bless you mrsd.

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MrsDeVere · 11/11/2015 16:57

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fanjodisfunction · 11/11/2015 15:35

Mrsd our girls share that day 27th April. My firstborn Ophelia was stillborn on that day. I remember telling you once before and you planted some flowers for her in billies garden.

It's not OK, what people write and say.

I think of your gorgeous Billie often and the blankets some of us make in her name.

Well done for speaking out.

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MiscellaneousAssortment · 10/11/2015 23:02

Courage, grace and magnanimousness in the face of your own mistakes.

Three traits that a certain blogger cannot use to describe herself.

Could use those words to describe a fair few grieving parents on here though. Flowers

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MissingPanda · 10/11/2015 22:30

Flowers No, it's not okay.

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DancingWithWillard · 10/11/2015 19:16

Wonderfully eloquent post MrsDV. Like others I often have you in my thoughts as you speak so beautifully about Billie. I have the greatest respect and admiration for all you brave parents who somehow manage to put one foot in front of the other, and manage to educate us about loss, and share the memory of your precious, beloved children with us.
Flowers for you all.xxx

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3littlebadgers · 10/11/2015 16:20

It takes a lot of courage to admit when you are wrong. Some people just don't have it in them.

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ThumbWitchesAbroad · 10/11/2015 06:16

Less than a year ago, 10th Dec 2014, LF had Blog of the Day on Mumsnet. I think it's possible that she's seen this thread, but why in fuck she hasn't had the grace to apologise is utterly beyond me.

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mineofuselessinformation · 09/11/2015 22:25

It's not the same. There are a million awful things in this world, but none of them are the same as losing a child.
I would never have the arrogance to compare anything that happens in my life with that level of pain or grief.
I have a friend, and relatives, who lost a child. They will never be the same again.
One of my dcs has a condition that means they may die before me (at the moment they are well, but that isn't indicator of what may be). Even so, I would never feel that I could say my pain at that thought is anywhere near the level of a bereaved parent.
My sympathies to you, OP, and all other grieving parents on this thread.

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PlentyOfPubeGardens · 09/11/2015 20:11

Your DD's beautiful and it's not OK. Flowers for you and all the other bereaved parents.

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3littlebadgers · 09/11/2015 19:58

I wonder if LF has seen this thread? It might open her eyes a little to just how out of touch she really is. I'm not sure I have seen anyone defending her actions.

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3littlebadgers · 09/11/2015 19:56

WhatWasThat Flowers I am sorry about your precious daughter. So many of us missing our children.

MrsD apart from all of the other amazing things that your writing has done, it has brought so many of us together in our sorrows, paying tribute to your beautiful child and ours. That has to be a good thing.

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WhatWasThat · 09/11/2015 19:03

"The club that no one wants to belong to, but strangely so many people want to borrow from."

Since losing my beautiful daughter who was 8, this is something that rings so so true.

Nobody would want to go through what us bereaved parents have. It's something I haven't the eloquence or energy to try and explain but mrsdevere says it a lot better than I ever will. Sending you love x

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Lovetunnocks · 09/11/2015 15:22

Well said.

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ReluctantCamper · 09/11/2015 11:31

It's not ok.

A thoughtless article. Liz Fraser could have partially redeemed herself by showing some grace when her mistake was pointed out, but instead chose to insult bereaved parents. Crass and inexcusable behaviour.

I have re-read your piece several times MrsDeVere . It is incredible writing.

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SoDiana · 09/11/2015 10:51

I have rarely read such a striking piece of writing.
Billie was absolutely stunning. What an unimaginable loss.
I would not ever ever want to have to walk even a foot in your shoes, let alone a mile.
That journalist was thoughtless to begin with and heartless in her subsequent reaction.
I also want to offer my sincerest condolences to each and every other unfortunate poster who has to experience this incredible loss and pain.

No. It's not ok.

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bearleftmonkeyright · 09/11/2015 10:36

A beautiful piece of writing. Thank you for sharing this.

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EponasWildDaughter · 08/11/2015 21:43

Flowers to every bereaved parent.

That journalist is a disgrace.

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Doobydoo · 08/11/2015 18:31

Thank you Mrs D and thank you Expat. And it is not ok. Xx

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LizzieVereker · 08/11/2015 17:53

Mrs DeVere, I am so sorry, it's not OK, how could anyone think that awful, crass article was OK?

Your beautiful girl Flowers

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Dawndonnaagain · 08/11/2015 17:36

Flowers.

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