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Guest post: "Why are periods still a big deal?"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 11/08/2015 15:28

When I was 11, some little grotbag with an innocent-looking face full of freckles and a soul of pure evil went through my school bag. He was looking for a way to ridicule me, and he found it in the form of my sanitary towel. He pulled it out of its wrapping and threw it into the middle of the classroom so that everyone would see, and they all laughed at me for having something as embarrassing and disgusting as a period. Fortunately for me, when I went home crying later that day, my mum taught me that if he did it again, I should waggle my little finger at him, intimating that he was only acting so pathetically because of his own insecurities.

Fast-forward to 2015, and the American presidential election proves that such schoolboy shaming tactics are still rife - and not confined to the classroom. After news anchor Megyn Kelly questioned him about his attitude towards women during a televised debate, Donald Trump claimed that she did so because she had "blood coming out of...her wherever". Not because she was a grown woman with thoughts and opinions, nor because she believed him to be wrong. OH NO. The only possible explanation, as far as Trump was concerned, was that she was on her period - and as all the world knows, periods turn women into wild-eyed maniacs who want to destroy everything in their path, much like zombies or werewolves (who also work on a lunar cycle. Coincidence?). Given Trump's history of misogyny, his comments perhaps aren't surprising. But it's not just him.

Period stigma is everywhere. The UK still has a 5% tax on sanitary products, due to them being, apparently, 'unnecessary'. I'd love the government to let us know in what way they are unnecessary; maybe they expect us to go back to the olden days and walk about with old rags stowed away in our nethers? On the other hand, perhaps we should all be taking tips from marathon runner Kiran Gandhi, who decided to let her period blood runneth over, literally. When her period arrived the day before she was due to run the London marathon, she decided she couldn't handle wearing uncomfortable sanitary protection while running 26.2 miles. She says she did it in the name of feminism, because "if there's one way to transcend oppression, it's to run a marathon in whatever way you want". What I liked best about Gandhi's attitude is that she'd decided her personal comfort should take precedence over others'; she wasn't going to wear a tampon just so other runners wouldn't freak out over. She didn't care if people stared at her. She'd trained hard for the marathon, and she was going to run it the way she bloody well liked.

Of course, Gandhi's not the first woman to ask us to examine the idea of ‘period-shaming’. Performance artist Casey Jenkins sent people into a spin with her show ‘Casting Off My Womb’, in which she knitted a scarf from wool she pulled out of her vagina. She did this over a month, and the result is a pleasing dip-dyed-looking scarf that charts her cycle from start to finish. The world was, predictably, outraged, and although I admit to having felt an initial ‘eugh, blood’ reaction to her project, I soon got over myself and realised that she’s doing a good thing; anyone who helps to de-stigmatise periods - and everything periods represent - is doing something brave and important. I won’t be making vagina-bunting any time soon - but isn’t it great that there’s someone out there who might?

There are lots of people out there who will assume that period blood is a bodily fluid, so anything to do with it is as disgusting and unhygienic as, say, wee. And they might have a point. But pee comes from men and women and adults and children. We aren't taught from a young age that weeing is something to be ashamed of; how many teenage girls are walking around school going 'OH MY GOD, I hope no one realises I've done a wee today'? Periods are associated with something shameful: developing and continued sexuality, as well as women’s feelings and emotions. Anyone challenging this stigma deserves our applause.

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Scoobydoo8 · 11/08/2015 19:19

If my dd left a used tampon lying around I'd hit the roof

Well, that's wrong imv.

Scoobydoo8 · 11/08/2015 19:20

Footballers spit all over the place - it's seen as normal for a sportsman.

Scoobydoo8 · 11/08/2015 19:22

There's often vomit on the pavements on a Sunday morning in my local town.

Unpleasant yes, hugely unpleasant no.

nooka · 11/08/2015 19:23

I don't watch TV any more but are there still adverts with blue liquid and wistful people suddenly jumping for joy with better sanitary protection? Not exactly stigma but plenty of 'don't talk about periods'.

My dd is a teenager who leaves towels in her knickers in her room and it's gross, and she gets told off. I think it would be even grosser if she peed or pooed in there though.

I can't imagine it's a terribly good idea to stuff a whole load of wool up your vagina. I don't think it's outrageous or brave, just rather unwise from a health point of view (and surely pretty uncomfortable too?)

Growing up my mother didn't even let us keep boxes of tampons in the bathroom, in case my father saw them and was for some reason upset (four females in the house you'd think he would have some awareness!). I think those attitudes have pretty much gone though now haven't they?

dh did get some very strange reactions when talking about how our dd's migraines are linked to her periods at work (there was some context!). I think that periods are only private so long as they don't affect anyone else, but when mine are bad I'm totally dosed up on painkillers so it does have an impact on my family. The PMS thing does annoy me, it's a fairly small group of women who are affected, but frequently extrapolated to all women. The dismissal of women getting annoyed/angry, and having that attributed to hormones not to legitimate irritation does piss me off.

pretend · 11/08/2015 19:29

Vomit and spit are grim too and I'd also hit the roof if there was uncleaned up vomit or someone spitting around my house!

Wotsitsareafterme · 11/08/2015 19:30

Just because I don't want to wave it around doesn't mean I'm ashamed of my period. The only shame I've really ever felt (I'm 36) was my most recent partner declining sex because of it. No bloke ever had before!!!
I don't think periods are an equal rights issue and therefore have little to do with feminism.
That runner could have worn black leggings - I don't want to see her blood cheers all the same.
Free bleeding is a wanky expression and as for CSP's. You can keep them!

Sparklingbrook · 11/08/2015 19:40

I don't understand the comparison between a period and a wee.

I am very private and the toilet and any goings on are private to me. I have never taken my DSs into the loo with me, ever.
I also don't feel the need to discuss my periods in RL with all and sundry.

Used tampons lying about on the bedroom floor? What's that all about?

Scoobydoo8 · 11/08/2015 19:48

But it's not the same.

Vomit or wee all over the carpet is not the same as knickers with a stained pad. Knickers can be picked up - vomit or wee stain the carpet etc

pretend · 11/08/2015 19:53

A used tampon will stain the carpet.

Look, I'm a neat freak. I'm probably not the best person to ask Blush

Sparklingbrook · 11/08/2015 19:59

Plus you could tread on it pretend Sad

pretend · 11/08/2015 20:04

I have bare feet in the house!

Sparklingbrook · 11/08/2015 20:08

Great, bloody footprints everywhere. Confused

Flingmoo · 11/08/2015 20:16

I don't think periods are an equal rights issue and therefore have little to do with feminism

I disagree. Periods are a feminist issue. If a woman acts like a dick, people will say "oh she's probably on her period", whereas if a man acts like a dick, people would just call them a dick. Undesirable behaviour? Periods are always to blame, apparently...

shirleybasseyslovechild · 11/08/2015 20:17

I agree 100% with pretend.
There is no stigma around periods in this country.

I do the following in private

Pooh
Wee
Change tampons
Pluck my eyebrows

Shave my fanny
Have sex with my BF

I am not in the least ashamed of any of the above but I don't need to be loud and proud about any of it.

Well done on completing a marathon but to wear clothes that highlighted her menstrual blood is beyond weird and reinforces the notion held by some that women on their periods are nutters.

Sparklingbrook · 11/08/2015 20:20

I have never heard anyone say 'she's probably on her period' when a woman is being a dick. Confused

Mommyusedtobecool · 11/08/2015 20:22

To be honest I think it's a matter of comfort. It might not be very comfortable running a long distance with a sanitary towel or tampon. But then I'm not sure what the solution is. I don't think its terribly comfortable having hot sticky blood gushing out either?
But most importantly, does anyone really need to be offended by what Donald Trump says?! He openly hates Mexicans and blacks... And his popularity in America is bizarrely rising?! Somebody shiver a bloody sanitary towel down the guys throat! He's vile!

YonicScrewdriver · 11/08/2015 20:38

"reinforces the notion held by some that women on their periods are nutters."

Well, fortunately anyone who generalised from the actions of one women to all women in that way can be ignored.

Tampons absorb blood! It's not great to leave one around but it's similar to leaving a used plaster around - there shouldn't be loads of unabsorbed blood.

YonicScrewdriver · 11/08/2015 20:39

Yeah, I think it is important that a presidential contender and major business man who makes sexist (and racist) remarks is found offensive. Why don't you?

Sparklingbrook · 11/08/2015 20:41

No, the blood will all be in the carpet. Used tampons can be heavy and wet and shouldn't be on the carpet at all. Just bag it and bin it and stop being lazy.

Thank goodness I have DSs if that's what DDs do.

pretend · 11/08/2015 20:41

Mine are more akin to using a Kleenex to tidy up after you've murdered someone.

So maybe we're coming at this from different directions.

AndNowItsSeven · 11/08/2015 20:42

Gandhi gives the impression of being attention seeking, a tampon would be more comfortable.

Mrsjayy · 11/08/2015 20:43

She is probably on her period jesus are you 12 no decent adult says that ever. And as for used tampons lying about its filthy for crying out loud as i said on another thread its all gone a bit i am woman see me bleed its ridiculous its fucking womb lining whats to worship

Mrsjayy · 11/08/2015 20:44

Sorry didnt mean to swear i dont normally.

YonicScrewdriver · 11/08/2015 20:47

AndNow, I trust her experience when she says running in a tampon wasn't comfortable. Not everyone gets on well with tampons - I don't post kids

Pre kids they were very tidy! We are probably all bringing our "flow" experiences to bear here!

YonicScrewdriver · 11/08/2015 20:49

She possibly doesn't have enough blood the first day of her period for a tampon to feel right.