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Guest post: "My sons refuse to help with chores - and I know it's my fault"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/06/2015 15:09

I have often thought that I should be doing more to coax my boys – aged 12 and 14 – into doing chores, but when I read this thread, I was cast into a fug of despair. Six-year-olds emptying the dishwasher? That's absolutely right and proper, of course, but at home when I ask "So - who's helping me with the washing up, then?" in an artificially bright voice, I am met with a wall of testosterone-fuelled silence.

I used to be better at it. Aged 7-10, the boys were trained in tidying up their own toys; they actually liked mopping the floors ("ME! ME! ME!") and occasionally enjoyed scaring the cat with the hoover. But then, their descent into tweendom - coupled with me and their Dad divorcing - meant that the domestic momentum came to a sudden halt.

I became a single mum, and initially, I was consumed by guilt at what I had 'done' to my family. I desperately wanted to make things feel settled for my children – and in my head, that meant comfortable and homely.

This manifested itself in me treating them like toddlers, doing everything for them short of offering to help them go to the toilet. I didn't want them to feel more loved at their Dad's house, so I went completely overboard and smothered them with affection. A clean and tidy home plus lovingly prepared (read: labour intensive) meals was my way of showing them this was still a solid family unit, and they got used to me catering for their every need.

It's me who is at fault. I should have trained them properly from the start. As Mr Miyagi says, there's no such thing as a bad student, just a bad teacher, and since then, I've had to find pathways out of my own stupidity – offering pocket money in exchange for chores, for example. The difficulty here is that the boys are motivated by different things. Tween likes money, and happily drew up a huge list of tiny tasks ('draw the living room curtains', 'turn off the TV,' 'take off shoes and put on rack') with dollar signs spinning in his eyes. Teen is motivated by… well, frankly, nothing. "I don't need money," he muttered, in a rare breather from his iPad. Oh.

In desperation, I asked some of my friends what their children, all of a similar age, do around the house. It seems that none of us are doing very well on the chore-training front. Erin, mother of two girls, said "I am weedy when it comes to insisting on help, and listening to the whining is generally worse than doing it myself. I have to make myself make them help for character building purposes and then clear up after them anyway." Another friend said, "I come home from a full day's work on Wednesdays and fly around the house vacuuming and doing the bathrooms whilst swearing at everyone. They all just shut themselves in the front room so I don't disrupt their gaming. I'm getting depressed at the thought of it."

Only one of my friends was having any real success, having somehow convinced her 12-year-old daughter that 'putting the bins out' was a fun thing to do. That woman is a bloody magician.

Apart from Bin Girl, there didn't seem to be any difference between boys and girls; they were both equally bad at helping. However, I do worry that my sons see me, a woman, as their domestic slave. What if I am - inadvertently - bringing them up to be misogynists? Which is, ironically, one of the reasons I left their father some years ago. I have dug this hole for myself and, although I recognise it, I am finding it quite hard to climb out of.

I have to remember why helping at home is valuable, to children and parents, and strengthen my resolve. It helps them with all sorts of things: to stand on their own two feet, to learn the importance and value of hard work, and of helping others – as well as making them feel that they've made a contribution to the family unit. Research also suggests that children who participate in household chores are more socialised, or 'pro-social', than those who don't.

And of course, it's rather lovely not having to do every last little thing yourself. So, I am taking a leaf from the Book of Mumsnetters and hopping back onto the chore train. It will be bloody difficult; no doubt there will be tears (mine, probably) and an awful lot of hard cash being passed into the sticky, cunning fingers of not-so-small boys, but it will be worth it.

OP posts:
Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 01/07/2015 11:34

Bins died should read bona fide, but quite an apt typo!

lilli30101968 · 01/07/2015 12:43

I totally agree with balancing figure is the first reply for they futur partners and for them you are not doing them any favours let them mourn mine does but I dont give up you never know where they end up later in life need to learn the basic of household sorry

TheDowagerCuntess · 02/07/2015 02:33

Now, SAHM to a 2 and a 4 year old. My house is bloody immaculate. It will come good, I'm sure.

No, it won't. Not necessarily.

It will probably come good for your girls, and almost certainly will if they end up being SAHMs...

But it will probably go in completely the other direction if you have boys in fact, it's almost guaranteed to, if they end up with SAHMs for wives/partners.

People who keep coming on to say it all worked out in the end for them, just aren't painting the whole picture. Of course it did. You're women. If you don't do it (now, as adults), no-one will!

puffinrock · 02/07/2015 06:30

I didn't do it as a child, and don't really do it now. I will tidy, organise and manage the finances, but don't really cook, iron, clean the bathroom, oven or other big jobs. I married a man that does it as I prefer going to work.

sanfairyanne · 02/07/2015 09:14

i'm not bothered. i never did chores so it's not payback time. they can chip in for a cleaner when they have saturday jobs. outsourcing is fine.

CaptainNelson · 03/07/2015 12:17

Get a rota. I have 3 boys, and was determined I would not be cursed by future DILs. I drew up a rota a few years ago; it morphs every now and again, days shift or new chores are added. No chores = no allowance (or no wifi password or whatever works). The moaning, whining and arguing ("I did it yesterday, it's not my turn, blah blah blah") stopped overnight. Ours includes them cooking dinner once a week as well! I'm usually on hand for this (to advise, aka make sure it's something I'm prepared to eat) but they've learnt so much about preparing a meal, with real component parts... more than I could do at their age, but don't tell them that!
The only thing is, you all (especially the adults) have to stick to it, and be strict about it.

MerryMarigold · 03/07/2015 12:52

Captain. How old are they? And what kind of things do they make?

My rota is just cleaning sinks/ toilets and laying/ clearing table, but they are only 6,6,9. Wondering when I can get them onto food. Grin

lawuntomyself73 · 08/07/2015 02:25

I'm writing this in response to so many great posts on here but also as a warning to those of you who think you are ruining your kids life by not having them involved in household chores. My partner has three kids - aged between 13 and 20. NOT ONE of them lifts a finger to help us in either our home or their Mum's - it's utterly beyond belief. Both my partner and his ex have over-compensated and felt guilty for so long, that they have taught the kids (literally) nothing. None of them can be left in either house unsupervised to do the most basic of chores - and as a new arrival on the scene I have had to undo mess after mess. How many frightening instances would you like to hear about? That they all get up from a dinner at the table and throw themselves on the couch while we clear the entire table of the meal we cooked them? That if asked to dry the dishes they do it so badly / slowly that they go back to their Mothers and i find plates encrusted in food back in the cupboards? They have no idea how to use a washer, vacuum or oven - and one nearly killed us all by deciding to cook a meal with no knowledge of the dangers of raw chicken blood. (Another matter - don't get me started.) Please heed this warning - it is a thousand times more difficult as kids get older to force these jobs to happen when your partner and his ex have never done so beforehand. In addition, you are not preparing these kids for the real world where teamwork is necessary, as is picking up after yourself. i love my partner, but as the kids don't live with us we alternate between heaven and hell with them. For the record, the home they live in is utterly filthy - over grown garden, garbage and junk everywhere and overflowing cat trays. Dirt everywhere. I've told my partner that the rules change in OUR home, or they're not welcome here. Toughen up and TEACH your kids the right thing to do - it's part of them being in a family - YOURS! - you're NOT their maid!!!

MaybeDoctor · 08/07/2015 07:03

That is unpleasant - but I think that is a bit different from a generally well-behaved child who lives in a house that doesn't resemble a health hazard.

Aside from basic consideration for others (eg not making other people's lives more difficult), I would always much rather my child was doing schoolwork, music, art or something outdoors rather than tackling the laundry or whatever.

MaybeDoctor · 08/07/2015 07:18

After I finished writing that I stood up, went over to the sink, rinsed my cup and bowl then put them in the dishwasher. I would expect my child to do that (not dishwasher yet due to sharp knives etc) - but I don't consider that a chore, that is just part of life.

Whereas turning to a youngish child and asking them to sort out the dishes after an entire family meal just on some point of principle that they should be doing chores? No, I think it is a waste of their time/energy and there will be plenty of time for that in the rest of their life!

lawuntomyself73 · 08/07/2015 15:19

I'm certain that MOST parents instill a sense of picking up after yourself MaybeDoctor, and I agree with your point that kids could be doing 'kids' things - i don't expect them tied to the sink or the washing machine! And for the record, we don't expect them to sort out the entire post-dinner dishes - I expect them to want to participate in taking their dishes to the kitchen in acknowledgement that they have just been fed and watered. These aren't young kids either - they're all almost adults by legal definition - and there's a degree of laziness and disrespect that has been TAUGHT to them. They are generally well behaved - but this isn't about that either - it's about having kids participate in two ways - sharing the load of a family unit AND learning skills for their future. And I can't agree that there is 'plenty of time for that', because with many kids their parents leave it til they are at breaking point, and then find it's easier to do it themselves! So no-one gains anything!

TheDowagerCuntess · 08/07/2015 19:25

Exactly - a parent's job is to prepare their child for the future, and to be independent.

If the extent of that is making sure they have a good education, and are adept at some extra-curricula activities, then that doesn't cut it.

Real life outside the cosseted confines of home can be a rude enough awakening as it is!

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