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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/06/2015 15:09

I have often thought that I should be doing more to coax my boys – aged 12 and 14 – into doing chores, but when I read this thread, I was cast into a fug of despair. Six-year-olds emptying the dishwasher? That's absolutely right and proper, of course, but at home when I ask "So - who's helping me with the washing up, then?" in an artificially bright voice, I am met with a wall of testosterone-fuelled silence.

I used to be better at it. Aged 7-10, the boys were trained in tidying up their own toys; they actually liked mopping the floors ("ME! ME! ME!") and occasionally enjoyed scaring the cat with the hoover. But then, their descent into tweendom - coupled with me and their Dad divorcing - meant that the domestic momentum came to a sudden halt.

I became a single mum, and initially, I was consumed by guilt at what I had 'done' to my family. I desperately wanted to make things feel settled for my children – and in my head, that meant comfortable and homely.

This manifested itself in me treating them like toddlers, doing everything for them short of offering to help them go to the toilet. I didn't want them to feel more loved at their Dad's house, so I went completely overboard and smothered them with affection. A clean and tidy home plus lovingly prepared (read: labour intensive) meals was my way of showing them this was still a solid family unit, and they got used to me catering for their every need.

It's me who is at fault. I should have trained them properly from the start. As Mr Miyagi says, there's no such thing as a bad student, just a bad teacher, and since then, I've had to find pathways out of my own stupidity – offering pocket money in exchange for chores, for example. The difficulty here is that the boys are motivated by different things. Tween likes money, and happily drew up a huge list of tiny tasks ('draw the living room curtains', 'turn off the TV,' 'take off shoes and put on rack') with dollar signs spinning in his eyes. Teen is motivated by… well, frankly, nothing. "I don't need money," he muttered, in a rare breather from his iPad. Oh.

In desperation, I asked some of my friends what their children, all of a similar age, do around the house. It seems that none of us are doing very well on the chore-training front. Erin, mother of two girls, said "I am weedy when it comes to insisting on help, and listening to the whining is generally worse than doing it myself. I have to make myself make them help for character building purposes and then clear up after them anyway." Another friend said, "I come home from a full day's work on Wednesdays and fly around the house vacuuming and doing the bathrooms whilst swearing at everyone. They all just shut themselves in the front room so I don't disrupt their gaming. I'm getting depressed at the thought of it."

Only one of my friends was having any real success, having somehow convinced her 12-year-old daughter that 'putting the bins out' was a fun thing to do. That woman is a bloody magician.

Apart from Bin Girl, there didn't seem to be any difference between boys and girls; they were both equally bad at helping. However, I do worry that my sons see me, a woman, as their domestic slave. What if I am - inadvertently - bringing them up to be misogynists? Which is, ironically, one of the reasons I left their father some years ago. I have dug this hole for myself and, although I recognise it, I am finding it quite hard to climb out of.

I have to remember why helping at home is valuable, to children and parents, and strengthen my resolve. It helps them with all sorts of things: to stand on their own two feet, to learn the importance and value of hard work, and of helping others – as well as making them feel that they've made a contribution to the family unit. Research also suggests that children who participate in household chores are more socialised, or 'pro-social', than those who don't.

And of course, it's rather lovely not having to do every last little thing yourself. So, I am taking a leaf from the Book of Mumsnetters and hopping back onto the chore train. It will be bloody difficult; no doubt there will be tears (mine, probably) and an awful lot of hard cash being passed into the sticky, cunning fingers of not-so-small boys, but it will be worth it.

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mydreamworld · 29/06/2015 21:58

Great post....

Greenrememberedhills · 29/06/2015 22:06

Great post.

We got into bad habits. Meaning I let them do so. We're pulling it round.

I've found they moan bitterly at first and then get used to it. Same process if you add something. They really mind not getting lifts!

TheDowagerCuntess · 29/06/2015 22:22

Wordy and Zoe, I wouldn't rely on that theory too much.

You're both women, and it's pretty much a case of women figuring it out quite quickly and getting on with, once they have a family. So even if you (generic) didn't have much 'practice' growing up, it's neither here nor there, because as a wife and mother, it tends to fall to you (in the most part), and you just have to get on with it, or live in a pig-sty (which is fine, if you're happy in a pig-sty).

I would not risk following this train of thought with a son.

They could quite easily get away with no chores, nor contributing to household tidiness in their childhood, and then will be far more likely to carry on doing that into adulthood. Because why wouldn't they? There's always someone else to do it in a way there inevitably (generalizing, but pretty accurately) isn't for women.

I have a DD and a DS, and am already getting a bit sick of them seeing me as their domestic servant (I work full time). They help out with bits and pieces, but they're also pretty entitled, as well.

This blog is a bit of wake-up call that it's now or never (they're nearly 5 and 6, respectively). I would be mortified to discover, years from now, that DS's partner (male or female) was seething with resentment towards him, for not pulling his weight!

My DB is gay, and grew up doing chores, exactly the same as me. He doesn't have a wife to rely on to quietly do all the unseen/unappreciated tasks that need doing daily to keep a house in order, and lives in an immaculate flat.

I have a DH who, thankfully, lived away from home for a long time, and so is very mindful and proactive. But even so, if we were to write down everything we do on a daily basis, my load would be far heavier.

Thanks for the blog post, Lottie. Flowers

dcbe17 · 29/06/2015 22:35

Good thread. I am very lucky as my DH is very handy round the house regarding loading /unloading dishwasher, cooking, general housework and ironing etc and chores are very shared between us but even with that role model DS age 9 is naturally a skivving little sod. DD is 7 and is more helpful by nature and says she loves cleaning floors and toilets but will never make her bed.
DS on a good day will help on bigger jobs but sometimes the chivvying takes so long to get him to do stuff I give up and just do it myself so I know how that feels.
I definitely believe that knowing how to do stuff and sharing jobs as a team, however big your team is, is a good life lesson and is worth making a stand about. Sharing tasks shows compassion and respect for your housemates and the opposite, which is just doing what you like when you like and ignoring others' needs, is not on in life generally and not in in a shared house. Have a big talk with them and even let yourself get a bit teary even, so they know how much it effects you and how hard it is doing all this stuff on your own. Get them to draw up helpful tasks, not just turning TV off etc, and say Wi-Fi is off for a certain time each day while these tasks get done, or they choose to do them themselves without Wi-Fi being turned off. You will have to stick to your guns though. Grin

VenusRising · 30/06/2015 00:10

Help them with their toileting for goodness sake. Wink

If they are behaving like spoilt toddlers, you have to treat them like them.Grin

Yes yes, to the poster who said they aren't "helping you", they're living in a house they make dirty, and so have to clean it.

And yes yes to p poster who said read MIL threads, and TRAIN YOUR BOYS TO CLEAN UP AFTER THEMSELVES. or you'll find yourself on those threads, being called all manner of things as some poor girl is kicking them out for being lazy misoygonist bastards.

Do you want to see your grandkids? Well then, get a strategy, stick to it and sort it out!

Wordylicious · 30/06/2015 07:47

Oh don't get me wrong, my five year old:

Takes his bowl to the sink
Takes any apple cores or banana skins likewise
Can get himself a snack
Pulls washing out of the machine
Waters plants
Puts clothes in the laundry basket
If asked, will get his washing out for the machine.
Can mop and sweep with toy utensils
Can use lightweight hoover

But much of this is playful rather than 'chore' like.

Also, I do think that children have (mostly) just one shot at their education. When the time comes, I am not going to interrupt his A level revision to come and do chores that he has the rest of his life to do.

MerryMarigold · 30/06/2015 09:46

I started a chore chart last week...and it lasted a whole week. This has motivated me to get back onto it. They are still small (6,6,9 - 2 of them boys) but I want them to get into the habit of at least cleaning loos and sinks, laying and clearing table, making beds. They have taken it in turns on the table for several years, but this has gone up a notch. Actually dd is worst as she is not motivated by money.

TheDowagerCuntess · 30/06/2015 10:00

Meh, humans have been passing exams, and doing stuff around the house since the dawn of time.

They're not mutually exclusive. Certainly not, if they're contributing well before they get to exam age, and are used to it as part of a routine.

I'm beginning to understand a little more, why there are so many threads on here, complaining about useless, ineffectual men.

Miggsie · 30/06/2015 10:02

I take the view that if it is not important enough for anyone else to do it, why should I do it?

So the family takes turns.

Also, being disabled I'm often too tired and ill to do routine household stuff.
Sometime DH and DD step in, or we just leave the house to get messy.

We all cook.
Everyone puts away their own laundry.
Whoever finds the cat sick first cleans it up - house rule!
We operate a minimalist just-in-time approach to housework in general.

LovelyFriend · 30/06/2015 10:07

I'm pretty no nonsense when it comes to my DC being involved. I try not to link chores to pocket money as I don't think they should be financially rewarded for taking care of themselves and our home.

Some things have become simple habits for DD1 - who is 7. 4yo seems to be a lot easier but I think that is because she see's her sister doing stuff.

I don't listen to whining. Refusal to do their "jobs" is met with a small strike on my part - nothing happens until stuff is done.

I also find a timer works and will often set 10 minute challenges where we all go and make a difference somewhere.

Still every day without fail they come in a throw bookbags and drink bottles on sofa. Much of it is just creating good habits.

LovelyFriend · 30/06/2015 10:16

I'm beginning to understand a little more, why there are so many threads on here, complaining about useless, ineffectual men.

Oh indeed!!

I'm also astonished whenever we go to park/playground how many parents act as rubbish bins for their children. Kids will hand any rubbish to their parents who then put it in the bin. No wonder the playgrounds are also full of rubbish. Since my DC can walk they have been taught rubbish goes in the bin, there it is over there, go an put your rubbish in it. My friends 6yo tried to hand me her rubbish at a park recently (her Mum has nipped to the loo) - I replied "no thanks please put it in the bin over there" and she nearly passed out from shock.

It does make me laugh how the parents who lectured me on making a "rod for my back" because I BF and co-slept, are now walking rubbish bins and picker uppers for their fast growing children.

Little and often, age appropriate responsibilities grows a great child.

SayThisOnlyOnce · 30/06/2015 11:06

Re toilets: my house is stocked with lots of v cheap toilet cleaner. Its not bleach so doesn't stain or matter too much if a bit goes a bit wrong. And its about 20p a bottle so I'm not worried about them using too much. We had a family loo cleaning lesson!

I keep bleach separately for adults to use now and then but the cheapo stuff does well for general day to day cleaning up after yourself.

misscph1973 · 30/06/2015 11:34

Great blog post, but I feel sorry for you that first you felt guilty for the divorce, and now you feel guilty for trying to compensate for it.

There is no magic way.

My DH is blind, so he doesn't do much around the house. DS thinks he's lazy. And it pretty much leaves me with all the house work, food shopping etc. and I work full time. When I am really busy with work, the house is a tip, and I get very overwhelmed and frustrated.

We have rabbits and chickens, and DCs age 8 and 10 look after them, they feed them and clean out their hutches. They do need some supervision, but all in all they do great. So I let them off on chores in the house.

Bonsoir · 30/06/2015 11:48

I think that interrupting study/revision in the run-up to exams in order to ensure a DC does "chores" is misguided. Learning about priorities is a really critical aspect of acquiring a good work ethic.

zoemaguire · 30/06/2015 12:08

Lovelyfriend, oh I'm so with you on that. My children seem to be exceptionally slow learners though on that front. Every single sodding time I say 'the bin is over there', and every single sodding time they still think I am their bin. Ditto please and thank you. I NEVER let them get away with not saying it, not ever, but EVERY time I have to pause meaningfully and they have to then remember to say it.

I totally agree on the male/female thing - though I suspect part of how good your DSs end up being on the housework front is also, for better or worse, how you model things yourself. I fear part of the chores differential in our house is down to who is in the house most, ie me, and also who cares more about mess, ie me. My DH totally does his fair share of house stuff, including washing and bins - he in no way resembles any of the losers I read about on here, he just has different priorities to mine about what needs doing. So the DCs pick up on that, and no amount of forcing them to do chores will change the message they get from us about a gendered division tasks.

zoemaguire · 30/06/2015 12:09

And agree with Bonsoir too. Don't make your child do the dishes and put the bins out the day before their a-level exam, that is a crappy sense of priorities!!!

christmasmum · 30/06/2015 13:03

Encourage them with their education and they can pay for a housekeeper... (feeling controversial!)

coffeeisnectar · 30/06/2015 13:41

My 9 year old has learned to make tea and coffee...We are awash with it now...barely one finished before she's offering to make another :o

My 16 year old is at sixth form all day five days a week, works three evenings and all weekend plus volunteers another evening so she's got very little free time at home which I make allowances for. She does do washing, dishwasher, bit of cooking, babysitter every now and then and if I could get her to stop chucking clothes all over her bedroom floor we would both be happy.

ThumbWitchesAbroad · 30/06/2015 13:41

Griselda - I find threatening to put the toys in the binbag helps with them tidying up. It worked on Ds1 and so far has worked on Ds2, although he's a lot more stubborn - but then I have Ds1 to help out, as he and Ds2 can make it into a competition (always a bonus, Ds2 always wants to win!)
I don't actually throw toys away because I have severe issues with doing that, but I do hide them in the garage for a while.

I have a DH who is the product of an over-indulgent mother, who gave up bothering to make either of her sons do anything around the house when they were teens, because (as she told me) she figured that their girlfriends would sort them out Hmm. Nice idea, IF either of them had ever GOT live in girlfriends! DH started off ok, while he was far away from his mother - but as soon as he got back within her sphere, he reverted to "Me man, you do housework". Well, that doesn't work for me, so he gets to share the cooking and washing up, empty the dishwasher (shared job with Ds1, 7) and do his own ironing.

The only job I won't push him to do is laundry because he just doesn't care and all our clothes would be trashed in short order, so I maintain control of that in order to save our clothes, money and my sanity. DS1 learns from this that men DO cook, DO wash up, DO iron and DO occasionally vacuum. He also thinks his Dad is lazy for refusing to do any main-house tidying up - but equally DH doesn't see why he should pick up toys after the boys, when they could do it themselves. (They do, but sometimes it's a good idea to help them to get it done quicker!)

As DS1 is only 7, I don't know how long his helpfulness will last - but I have already started to point out to him that he might not want to empty the dishwasher/lay the table etc., but then I don't want to be cooking his dinner either, so how about neither of us do what we don't want to? That usually sorts him out Grin

Amammi · 30/06/2015 16:08

Turn off the WiFi until the jobs are done. Hoover in their bedrooms at 8am on sat mornings if they don't do it during the week for themselves.

Wordylicious · 30/06/2015 16:19

Thank you Bonsoir!

As far as I am concerned a generally well-behaved, highly motivated and hard-working child (busy with school work and extra-curricular activities) won't become a slob all their adult life because their parents let them off some chores in that crucial run-up to exams. Getting excellent grades upon which university entrance depends has a life-long impact - unloading the dishwasher, not so much.

A lazy child who has to be constantly nagged to do anything constructive, including schoolwork, is likely to be far more of a domestic liability in their adult life.

TheDowagerCuntess · 30/06/2015 17:59

I'm not really sure why exams (as one random factor) has come into it - I mean, sure, let them off for that short period to get on with their study. But that's only a few weeks out of their life, when considering the bigger picture.

griselda101 · 30/06/2015 22:05

thanks Thumb! i will give it a whirl. I am sure it will work, great strategy!! I think I remember it working with me as a child!

I have been thinking more about this and that I need it to be a regular occurrence, so am going to set a tidying up alarm for once or twice a day, I guess i have to make it a bit of a game at his age, then it should be a habit as long as I keep up with it and enforce it....from now to eternity!

OliveCane · 30/06/2015 23:05

No chores = no WiFi - I think that would work

Enjoyingmycoffee1981 · 01/07/2015 11:32

I did bugger all as a child. Utterly spoilt. I went to uni and I don't think I had ever made my own bed, certainly never ever cooked.

Now, SAHM to a 2 and a 4 year old. My house is bloody immaculate. It will come good,mum sure. Unless they are bins died slobs, in which case, it won't and they will be a pain in the ass for their further partner,

I would give them one job each. One measly little job. If they don't do that one little job, then he'll hath no furry. Otherwise, don't stress it.

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