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Guest post: "My husband of 20 years is gay, and I have so many questions"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 29/04/2015 14:22

At last, it has come out: a book that endeavours to explain why gay men marry straight women, written by a man who did just that, Charles Neal. Two years ago, when I discovered that my husband of 20 years was actually gay, I searched and searched for an answer to this question. No one had one: not my counsellor, my best friend or my close family. And the man who had played all these vital roles for such a large part of my adult life, and to whom I had always turned for guidance? He couldn't provide one either.

Although I am now beyond the ‘shock’ phase, I know there are many other women still there, desperate to understand how their (often otherwise happy) marriages have come to sudden and painful ends, as their husbands or partners come out, fall out or are pushed out of the closet.

I discovered my husband was gay when I found that he had been on gay porn websites and chat rooms over an extended period of time. I confronted him straight away, to which his response was, quite simply, "Busted!" I didn't react with anger but instead, bizarrely, with relief. Although I hadn't guessed that he was gay, I knew that he had been battling with depression for a couple of years, which I had taken to be the reason for his increased lack of interest in sex. He blamed his depression on work, mid-life, money – in fact, on anything other than the thing that must have been bursting to be busted for a long time.

My immediate instinct was to support him in his coming out. He started to grieve almost immediately, and I held his hand through the night as he repeated through sobs that I would never forgive him, that he had been so stupid, and that, if it weren't for the kids, he would want to die. Not only was his secret "busted", his heart was broken too, and now it felt like his mind was cracking by the day. I begged him to seek urgent therapy, which he did, but this process felt as if an outsider had torn the bandages off a series of seeping and raging wounds, leaving only me to nurse them. To be honest, I hadn't a clue how to deal with his breakdown.

My husband's raging sores refused to close up, which is hardly surprising after years of keeping his true sexuality concealed. I was left with so many questions: why didn't you tell me earlier? What shall we tell the children? Did you ever love me? Was all that love making pretend? Have you had many affairs? Do you resent me? When did you first really know that you were in the wrong relationship? And finally, as his self-hatred and anger turned from himself out towards me, why are you now hurting me more than you have done already? How has this turned you into a cruel, selfish and totally unrecognisable person?

Luckily, our children did not witness this final, painful stage in our marriage breakdown, when the verbal abuse became so extreme I had to give a final ultimatum for him to leave the family home. He had refused up until that point, the cruel phase causing him to say things like "you should leave – you've been the useless one in the marriage all along". The list of my failures was repeated to me every night, until I reached my own busting point. I was blessed with two or three very close friends who stood by me in ways that I will never forget. But at home, in my bed, every night, I have never felt so isolated. And two years later, that feeling still hovers like a ghost passing through the night.

My husband is now in a new relationship with a man. He is mentally stable, civil and helpful towards me and still a wonderful father. We told our children together that he is gay about six months before he moved out, and they have been incredibly supportive although, like all of us, they have good days and bad in the recovery process. My ex has a new group of friends – or 'tribe', as Charles Neal refers to it - and seems all the happier for it. He never refers to the painful time now, and has never apologised for or addressed the abuse that he hurled at me.

I am doing okay, but when I read about the 'tribe', it struck me that that is where I still struggle. My tribe has gone. My family nest has collapsed, and friends who once had us over for family Sunday lunches have suddenly gone quiet. My in-laws have gone awkwardly quiet too. I am strong, and my role as mum still keeps me smiling, of course. But when I think about the future that I had hoped we would have together - growing old, sharing worries, being grandparents, taking life easier in each other's arms - the fear of isolation kicks in.

Thankfully, there was one other place where I found solace. It is quite simply a group of women - wives and partners of gay men - who support each other on a forum just like Mumsnet. It is called English Wives, although sometimes I think it should be called Saving Lives, it has been so invaluable. They don't have all the answers either, but they have put a stop to that feeling of isolation. Some issues are still unanswered: why can't a wife or husband divorce their spouse on terms of adultery when they have sex with someone of the same sex? Why does the gay support network seldom offer support to loved ones left in the wake of the coming out process? Why do so many men wait until they are fifty and leave us on that middle shelf of shite, balancing our menopause on one side, and our children on the other?

Reflecting on the book again, I am relieved for the men Neal features - they have found expert help, support groups, new partners. If Neal could call his next one, What Straight Women Do Next, that would be even more helpful. Because I am still waiting for an answer to that one.

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CMOTGilbertBlythe · 29/04/2015 16:59

Powerful post, thanks for sharing this.

TheCowThatLaughs · 29/04/2015 17:00

I think you've been much more generous towards your ex than I could have been. He sounds very selfish tbh.

ArcheryAnnie · 29/04/2015 17:04

Bloody hell, anon, I'm so sorry you went through this. Your husband has every right to come out and seek to live an honest and open life as a gay man, but I am sorry he was such an utter arse to you in the process.

I am sick to the back teeth of men who reach middle age and go and find themselves - whatever that self might be - and it's all about them, them, them, and never the families they hurt and leave behind. (I include all kinds of "finding themselves" in this category, not just men realising they are gay.) Women are always left in the caregiver role - caregivers to the men going through crisis, caregivers to the children the men are too busy in their angst to look after, and caregivers to themselves, as the men then piss off and are not there to offer any caregiving in return.

Men: too often selfish arses whether they are straight or gay.

rootypig · 29/04/2015 18:30

How dignified you are. I hope someone is being as generous to you - and you to yourself - as much as you have been to your ex husband. He owes you that apology, and a huge debt of gratitude.

WastingMyYoungYears · 29/04/2015 18:32

Archery might have a point Grin.

Also, you sound amazing OP.

Duckdeamon · 29/04/2015 18:39

Sounds like you've been generous and understanding.

Sexuality / mental health struggles are no excuse for verbal abuse, nor failing to apologise for this once he was "better".

MerryMarigold · 29/04/2015 19:09

You write about this very painful situation so well, with dignity and kindness, and openness.

I am sick to the back teeth of men who reach middle age and go and find themselves - whatever that self might be - and it's all about them, them, them, and never the families they hurt and leave behind. (I include all kinds of "finding themselves" in this category, not just men realising they are gay.) Women are always left in the caregiver role - caregivers to the men going through crisis, caregivers to the children the men are too busy in their angst to look after, and caregivers to themselves, as the men then piss off and are not there to offer any caregiving in return.

This resonates too.

I'm sorry your exH is too wrapped up in himself and his new life to deal with, and face, the way he dealt with you.

sighbynight · 29/04/2015 20:07

Enough about him. What a strong and dignified lady YOU are. That's all.

Hammondisback · 29/04/2015 20:39

Your eloquence, strength and dignity must be a huge comfort to others in a similar situation. I'm sorry you've had to go through it.

desiderata17 · 29/04/2015 21:07

Think you need to be less judgemental. A merry band of feminists you are, and there's nothing wrong with that, but life is messy and people must deal with that. No crime has been committed beyond the domestic upheavals of everyday life.

He will not be the first and he will not be the last to declare himself as gay in later life. Women do this too.

I have several gay friends who found their true sexuality in later years and left their heterosexual marriages with children in tow. It's not a gender issue, but a personality one. You front it out, and you deal with it.

As I know you will.

WindMeUpAndLetMeGo · 29/04/2015 21:22

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Hillingdon · 29/04/2015 21:38

Having had a gay boyfriend who then broke my heart many years ago it's a very selfish thing to do. It's all about them. Luckily I didn't have kids but these men need to take responsibility for their own lives and not mess it up for others when they go and find themselves.....

MrsTrin · 29/04/2015 22:09

I can realate to this completely. My first love did this to me after 7 years together, although a lot earlier in life at only 24, he decided the best time to accept he was gay and tell me was right after our son was born. As the original poster has said, all I felt was relief and a need to protect and help him. What followed was a mixture of acceptance that the relationship was over, and in a way it was easier to deal with because there was no question of whether we would work it out or try again, anger, betrayal and a deep feeling of hurt that he could love me yet lie to me for so long! Also total fear that I would now be a single mother to a new born baby. Our son is now 8 years old and fully aware that his dad is gay, he sees him regularly and we maintain a good relationship. There have been a lot of struggles along the way, but we've made it work. I'm now married with 2 more children, he as his partner and thankfully our son has never known it any other way. :)

crocodileshavenoears · 29/04/2015 22:59

Thanks for sharing this Flowers - this happened to me eighteen months ago and it helps to know I'm not alone with the questioning.

We were married 12 years, together for 16, and like you I'm now constantly questioning everything about that time - what was real and what wasn't, what changed, how could I have believed all that time that he wanted to be with me? Like you I supported him through the first shock, comforted him and took care of him until he decided he wanted to move out, and also like you my in-laws are now very quiet and give the impression they'd prefer I just disappeared.

Although I'm thankful that I didn't have any of the verbal abuse you experienced, for a year or so before he came out he constantly told me that the reason he was no longer interested in sex was that I didn't dress nicely enough, I didn't make enough effort to arrange candles, music, etc, I gave too much of my attention to the DCs - it was all my fault for one reason or another, and that message is still very hard for me to shake off.

We get on ok and talk lots about the DC but I just still miss him (or who he used to be) so much Sad.

WindMeUpAndLetMeGo · 29/04/2015 23:04

It's not just men that do it though, it's equally hurtful when the woman does it. A family member, married and had children even though she knew she was gay.

HelenaDove · 30/04/2015 00:48

Agree with the PP who said sexuality is no excuse for verbal abuse OR emotional abuse which you also experienced crocodile.

wannaBe · 30/04/2015 08:25

The problem IMO is that there is far too much expectation of sympathy and understanding for someone who leaves their partner because they have decided to come out as gay. If someone leaves for any other reason, another man/woman/have fallen out of love/want different things the sympathy automatically lies with the partner who has been left. But because they leave because they have decided to come out as gay they are the ones who get all the sympathy and understanding and the desserted partner is told that they must be understanding because it was so incredibly brave of them to come out after all that time. Never mind that they'd been living a lie for the past x years and the partner and children left behind are left wondering what part they really did play in a marriage which essentially was built on lies.

Anyone is entitled to leave a relationship. However if you know you are gay then no, IMO you are not entitled to start a relationship with someone knowing that you are essentially doing it to fit with some kind of perceived norm. And if someone leaves their partner because they've come out and it transpires they've had multiple or even one affair, then they are just as much of a lying cheating bastard as if they'd cheated with someone of the opposite sex.

I have a friend whose dh came out as transsexual. they were actually on the verge of applying to adopt when he came out, she actually stayed with him for two years until he (then living as she) decided to start seeing other men. at which point the marriage ended. She never got over it and afaik has never felt confident being with anyone since.

MajesticWhine · 30/04/2015 09:23

The idea that people who are gay are not entitled to start a relationship assumes that the person knows they are gay and is being deliberately deceitful. I suspect it is not as black and white as this. We are encouraged in our society to pick a side, to identify as gay or straight. But for many it is not that simple. They may start out more heterosexual or bisexual and they may change over time, or maybe just never be quite sure. For those that have clarity over them sexual orientation it might seem like a terrible thing to do and the marriage was built on lies. From the way I see it, I really doubt it is always that simple.

ArcheryAnnie · 30/04/2015 11:15

The issue here is not coming out as gay while married to someone of the opposite sex (whether it's a man or a woman who is doing it). People have all kinds of reasons for wanting to end a marriage, and this is one of them.

What is relevant is the man who comes out as gay (or who has some other identity shift, or a crisis or whatever) and in their self-absorption is an utter shit to the person they are leaving behind, while also expecting the person they are leaving to be strong and supportive to them.

That's the issue. If you have to leave a partner, then sometimes it happens, and it's always going to be hurtful to that partner. A decent person would do all they can to minimise the hurt to someone who they had lied to for so long, and who had trusted them and built a life with them.

If a man treats his partner like shit because of his own issues, blames them for the situation, destroys their confidence, expects them to caretake him while he has a crisis, then leaves them, then don't expect me to think he's anything apart from a selfish shit. The only difference now is that he's a gay selfish shit instead of a straight one.

HelenaDove · 30/04/2015 14:40

I saw a post by another MNer on the feminism board on another thread quite a while ago.

I cant remember the MNers username but she wrote this.

"I believe gay men have come further in 50 years than women have in 150 years"

MerryMarigold · 30/04/2015 16:26

The only difference now is that he's a gay selfish shit instead of a straight one. Grin

MrsJoeDolan · 30/04/2015 17:02

HelenaDove - that is so true. I'm from Ireland where homosexuality was illegal until the late 80s. Now we are voting on equal marriage. women still can't access abortion, and we are no further along than we were 50 years ago.

notyetpastit · 30/04/2015 19:01

I am in the same situation and I know many others who are also. The group which has given me the most support is Straight Partners Anonymous which includes both the wives of gay men and the husbands of lesbians as well as wives of transexuals.

Anonymous: this comment rings true especially when a man decides to come out after a lengthy marriage: I am doing okay, but when I read about the 'tribe', it struck me that that is where I still struggle. My tribe has gone. My family nest has collapsed, and friends who once had us over for family Sunday lunches have suddenly gone quiet. My in-laws have gone awkwardly quiet too. I am strong, and my role as mum still keeps me smiling, of course. But when I think about the future that I had hoped we would have together - growing old, sharing worries, being grandparents, taking life easier in each other's arms - the fear of isolation kicks in.

The effect of the lies and deceit that many of these men inflict on their families is beyond belief and I am afraid that all this 'bravery' for which they are commended by others is only one small side of the story. In my case we were married for 30 years and my ex betrayed his family by having a gay affair with his 'best' friend for six of those years. It has never been the fact that he is gay that most distressed our adult children but the fact that he continued to lie for so very long. That is NOT being brave. He only came out in the end because after years of emotional and sexual withdrawal from him I began an affair myself and told him. Otherwise it is quite possible that today, over five years later he would still be in his closet (as would I be, unknowingly) and deceiving us.

He dumped his lover and within three weeks of disclosure to me found a new partner, with whom he now lives and he has minimal contact with his kids.

It is about time the stories of wives who are married as a convenient cover is told. It is they who have to pick up the pieces of their traumatised families.