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Guest post: "We've set up The Women's Equality Party - and we need you"

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/04/2015 13:57

When I was 17, I thought the world was my oyster. By the time I hit 37, I felt like a well-worn piece of grit that stood little chance of becoming a pearl, no matter how hard I tried.

These days I look at my daughters and I think about how I can open up the world for them and give them all the chances I thought I had, but didn't.

Today marks three weeks until the general election. Everyone's talking about it being a cliffhanger, but I don't see it that way. To me it seems like a foregone conclusion – a forty-something white man in a suit will be in charge again.

Don't get me wrong. I have nothing against forty-something white men. I'm married to one, for a start. He's lovely. But I suspect that the reason all the polls are showing a general lack of enthusiasm for the ballot on May 7 may be that many others like me are finding it hard to muster enthusiasm to make a choice when it seems as though we're in for a disappointment, whoever wins.

Quite often I wish I had moved back to my native Scotland, so that I could vote for the SNP's Nicola Sturgeon and a woman's take on politics. Many women I know are considering voting Green because its female leader Natalie Bennett looks like she could also offer a different perspective.

When it comes down to it, I want to vote for someone who I think cares and understands my life. Right now I don't see anyone standing for parliament in my local community who fits that bill. Neither do a great many of my friends.

So we've decided to do something about it. This isn't another ‘if only’ article. This is a call to come with us and help us change things.

We're setting up The Women's Equality Party, and we want you. And the bloke sitting beside you. Because equality for women isn't just a women's issue. When women and girls fulfill their potential, men and boys do too. A system in which 78 percent of MPs are men, and there are more men called John leading FTSE 100 companies than there are women leading those companies, disadvantages men as well as women. They're only seeing half the world and they're only living in half of it. When both sexes can live and work side by side, the whole world opens up. (And there's your oyster, my lovely girls.)

There's a whole bunch of policies to achieve equality that I've yet to see make it on to any manifesto. So the Women's Equality Party is setting out to do something about them.

We want equal pay: an end to the grim reality that because you're a woman you're probably receiving less money from your boss at the end of every month than Kevin and Gary across the office.

We want equal parenting: the opportunity for your children's dad to spend more time with them – whether paternity leave, or just sports day and the nativity play, or that day when they're ill and someone needs to stay home - without being looked at weirdly and cut out of interesting projects at work.

We want equal career opportunities: so that while dads are with the kids more often, both mums and women without kids can pursue a career without bearing the burden of expectation that they're only going to take loads of time off should they get pregnant - and thus miss out on those promotions to Kevin and Gary across the office.

And while we're at it, how about an end to violence against woman? How about an end to the lazy classification of science, building and exploring as being ‘boys' stuff’? How about the creation of an education system that creates opportunities for all girls and boys along with an understanding of why this matters?

Because it does matter. These things aren't just ‘nice to have’. They are not things that we should just get around to once we've sorted out the deficit and the NHS. They are essential.

Take the economy. Numerous research papers have proven that companies whose staff is diverse in gender and race are more likely than those without that to expand market share and capture new markets. It's the kind of performance that any company emerging from our recent recession, and any Chancellor of the Exchequer, would surely want to see.

Take society. When women and men are set up in opposition neither side wins. Instead of grinding along feeling as though the other side doesn't understand or sympathise, we can live as partners and fulfil our true potential.

And take the world of politics. With equal numbers of women and men in parliament, both sexes can govern their country to the benefit of everyone.

We can bring about change by winning – support, votes and seats. Our focus is clear and our aim is to keep attracting votes from the other parties until they embrace and adopt our agenda of equality.

Interested? The Women's Equality Party's mission statement is listed in full on their Facebook page here and they are meeting to discuss the way forward on Saturday, 5.30pm until 8pm, at the Conway Hall. You can register to attend and bring all your own ideas here.

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YonicScrewdriver · 02/05/2015 18:43

Again, it's often discussed on here, many times by women being pressured by their husbands to agree.

Happy to sign a petition on the law if you link one; you'd probably get a lot of others signing from MN. MNHQ don't send any petition links to inboxes though, so even if you'd been registered for a while, you wouldn't have seen one.

I think the most hotly argued circumcision thread I've seen was a man who'd had it done later in life arguing all boys should have it done. Very few women, if any, agreed with him.

HTH.

Blistory · 02/05/2015 18:45

Yonic Thanks

And, just in case Growly has any interest, I am wholly opposed to little boys having their foreskins cut off. I choose, however, as is my right, to be more concerned about little girls having their clitoris and labia sliced off and their vaginas sewn up, with no anaesthesia and for no benefit to them but done entirely for the sexual pleasure of men.

HTH

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 02/05/2015 18:48

I've only just read this thread but I just want to add my voice in support of thetruthshallsetyoufree who has made some excellent points that have not been dealt with. Appropriate given her username.

I know this thread has been hijacked by a goady fucker but I hope the debate started here is ongoing and helps shape the goals of the WEP to encompass ALL women.

Heckler · 02/05/2015 18:54

This attitude is why women are still suffering - because you are great talkers but terrible listeners. You also view everything in life from a female persective meaning you don't understand the way men express themselves nor do you want to try understanding

Oh the irony.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 18:59

Yonic,

Thanks for that message. Good to hear that a lot of mumsnet supports a law change even if some brainwashed men still don't. I'm sure there is a petition out there because I've signed one or two and if links are allowed to be shared on here then I will share it. I will be working to raise awareness in men that it is wrong and needs to be stopped. As you might imagine many men who had it done to them are hurt by it on a deep level and will say it hasn't done them any harm so what's the problem. Those men need counselling for the hurt that was done to them lest they pass on that hurt to innocent infants even when their wives object.

Blistory - again.. you reveal your bias in your view. Dress it up as a 'right' to be biased if you want. You say you are opposed to this butchery of infant boys, but once again there's a 'but' and you spend more time talking about how awful FGM is. They don't use anesthetic on boys either you know and the tissue contains significantly more nerve endings. And unlike with girls, the tissue is sold off to make anti-aging cream for women.. to keep them beautiful.. for their pleasure. Which is just as bad as mutilating a girl for a man's pleasure isn't it. It's a shame you aren't as passionate about protecting the genital integrity of ALL helpless infants as I am. I fail to see why you need to 'choose to be more concerned about little girls' when its possible with zero extra effort to concern yourself with protecting both. It feels to me more like you have a grudge against men and by your own definition being less concerned about male circumcision you are quietly getting back at men. Which is why I said how that view made me feel.

I will sign any FGM petition cos I oppose both equally and will share freely. We need to do more to help ALL little kids. It's our moral duty as adults and there can be no 'buts' or distinctions between their suffering or well-being.

Blistory · 02/05/2015 19:00

So, on a site, largely used by women, who make up an equal share of the population, they should just shut the fuck up and talk about men's rights, needs and wants instead ?

Plenty of room on MN if you want to start a thread to talk about all that.

TondelayoSchwarzkopf · 02/05/2015 19:00

Fuck - I know I shouldn't bite but...

Why haven't YOU started a petition against non-medical infant circumcision?

Why haven't YOU lobbied your MP? Or written to the press? Or issued a press release?

Why haven't YOU joined a pressure group? (There are several) Or started one of your own?

Why do YOU expect women to do your work for you? Women are expected to do men's labour for them free of charge, using their own time and their own resources ALL the fucking time. Do it yourself for once.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:04

Heckler - no irony. There is a proliferation of literature on women's needs, feelings and how they express themselves, with numerous books offering help and support to women. It's a huge and profitable industry. It does sadly rely though on women feeling as if they need that help, which means a constant message being sent to women that they aren't good enough. That message is sent by Feminism which reminds you about male oppression and how you haven't yet achieved your power, just in case any of you had managed to get on with your lives and found happiness and confidence. Yeah don't forget, your still in need of power and freedom. None of my female friends I've discussed Feminism with relate to its message at all except historically when it was fighting for equal legal rights, rather than trying to micro manage society.

Hardly any literature for men by men.... a handful of good books from women like the wonderful factual Feminist Christina Hoff Summers. So yeah... more understanding and listening by women needed. Men don't open up if you shut them down by belittling them.

Blistory · 02/05/2015 19:06

Growly, I'm sorry but I really, really don't care about how you feel. I do care about the damage done by men to women much more that I care about the damage done by men to men.

Men haven't given me the power to speak out on behalf of men so why should I take a stand against those who oppress me to assist them with things that they have the power to fix themselves ?

You do more harm here by trying to shut women down than I could ever do against men. And again, men hurt men - you do something about that and I'll happily support you but not if you require to me to abandon women to do so.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:09

Growly, I'm sorry but I really, really don't care about how you feel. I do care about the damage done by men to women much more that I care about the damage done by men to men.

or about the damage done to men by women like you. I think you've summed 'bias' up nicely there and a conversation with someone with bigoted views can go nowhere positive. When you grow up and feel ready to try and help PEOPLE regardless of their gender, you might find yourself creating the kind of EQUAL society you are hoping for. Your 'US vs THEM' attitude is devisive.

Be the change you want to see

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:12

Why do YOU expect women to do your work for you? Women are expected to do men's labour for them free of charge, using their own time and their own resources ALL the fucking time. Do it yourself for once.

Where do women do labour for men free of charge? Please explain? Do you mean housework? Do the men out at work not share their earnings with their spouses? Or did you mean something else? Very confused here by this post??

BitOfFun · 02/05/2015 19:16

Shall we get back to talking about the WEP, instead of allowing the discussion to be derailed as usual?

Soph, how do we go about setting up branches outside London? I see that it's happened in Birmingham and Edinburgh already.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:19

So, on a site, largely used by women, who make up an equal share of the population, they should just shut the fuck up and talk about men's rights, needs and wants instead ?

Mumsnet - by PARENTS for PARENTS. It's not about 'mens rights, needs and wants', it's about CHILDREN's RIGHTS NEEDS AND WANTS. Like the right need and want to not be mutilated with the consent of people who are supposed to protect them and show them love.

Why is it taking a 'man' to see this? Why are you as a women fighting for equal treatment in society perpetuating gender bias and division?? It makes NO sense in the world, it really doesn't. It's entirely contradictory to your said aims. Think about it.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:22

BitOfFun - how has a discussion on the merits of a new political party seeking equality for the genders been 'derailed' by discussing the views of those people whom it is claiming to represent? This is entirely relevant.

Should we support this party yes or not? If not, why not? It's entirely relevant.

YonicScrewdriver · 02/05/2015 19:28

I don't think WEP makes any claim to represent you, GC.

I shan't be responding to you further. Good luck with your petitions.

Blistory · 02/05/2015 19:28

I find your posts frustratingly insensitive, Growly. You appear not to have the manners or grace to recognise that posters on this thread are upset with your attempts to shut down legitimate discussion about an important issue and instead continue to talk at them or down to them.

Please stop it.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:50

Yonic - "I don't think WEP makes any claim to represent you, GC."

It's an 'Equality Party' which doesn't represent me? Then it doesn't represent equality. Period.

Blistory - You just swore a number of times in your posts and said hateful things against men - is that the kind of manners and grace you'd like me to use?

You blame men for hurting men and women but refuse to acknowledge the pain and suffering women are capable of generating in this world. You take no responsibility for your gender causing any harm in the world either directly or indirectly through apathy. I find your posts misandrist and hateful towards men and am likewise frustrated by that.

I'm sorry you think I'm trying to 'shut down legititmate discussion'.... I thought I was trying to expand legitimate discussion to be more inclusive. It seems your idea of 'legit' is only to hear the voices of women and just those who agree with you. Reading further up the page and on the Facebook group for the WEP there are many women asking for a name change to reflect their values which I share, for total equality, not just bias for women. Black women feel this is a very white group.. what are you doing to help them feel more included? You've certainly done nothing to make me as a man feel included? This statement doesn't make me feel respected or included:
Growly, I'm sorry but I really, really don't care about how you feel. I do care about the damage done by men to women much more that I care about the damage done by men to men.

GrowlyCub · 02/05/2015 19:53

Blistory - I find your posts frustratingly insensitive, Growly

Blistory - Growly, I'm sorry but I really, really don't care about how you feel.

Should I be more sensitive to your feelings when you say things like this? Are you creating the kind of atmospere that fosters 'manners or grace' in discussion?

YonicScrewdriver · 02/05/2015 19:53

BOF, that's a good question. Not sure Soph is responding any more, maybe the FB page has more info?

Hullygully · 02/05/2015 19:58

dear lord

YonicScrewdriver · 02/05/2015 20:03

I think you meant, "Oh, Goddess!" Hully.

Wink
Blistory · 02/05/2015 20:08

You don't feel respected ?

You insulted me to the extent that your posts were deleted. You misrepresented my posts. You tried to shut me down. You've continued to state inaccuracies about my beliefs. Where have you earned my respect ?

Your expectations about what is due to you need to be revised downwards a little. I'll raise mine up and maybe we'll meet in the middle but please do note the respective starting points which perhaps indicates why a party such as this is welcomed and will be supported by me.

BitOfFun · 02/05/2015 20:11

They've had a lot of interest, I think, Yonic- I've emailed them, but not heard back yet. I think they've been inundated.

BitOfFun · 02/05/2015 20:17

Looks pretty diverse to me.

Guest post: "We've set up The Women's Equality Party - and we need you"
BitOfFun · 02/05/2015 20:18

Unlike the politicians getting most of the media coverage at the moment.

Guest post: "We've set up The Women's Equality Party - and we need you"