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Guest post: Jo Swinson - 'It's astonishing how quickly confidence evaporates on maternity leave'

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 16/10/2014 14:34

We all know that body confidence is about more than how you look. It's about feeling at ease with yourself, it's about how you teach your children to negotiate their own self-image and well-being, and it's about doing these things in a society that is fiercely obsessed with personal appearance.

Many people assume that poor body image is mainly the reserve of teenage girls, but new figures from the British Social Attitudes Survey show that women aged 35-49 have the lowest satisfaction with their physical appearance of any age group. We also know that poor body image is associated with lower confidence and aspirations, depression and a range of self-destructive behaviours.

Lots of women in this age bracket have young children, and lots of them work, too. They are the classic sandwich generation; often caring for both older and younger dependents, and short of the time and money needed to really take care of themselves. What's interesting is that once women get over 50, their body image leaps. Women aged 50-64 have the highest appearance satisfaction of all, which does suggest that mothering young children has a massive impact.

Having children changes your body, and time away from the workplace can impact on your confidence. After I had my son, I worried that I wouldn't enjoy going back to work, or that I would have somehow forgotten everything. It's quite astonishing how quickly confidence can evaporate on maternity leave. Within just a few weeks, I was anxious about how I would conduct myself at a work event – would I slot back into “work mode”, now I was so used to being a mum? At the same time, your body is amazing but unrecognisable, ricocheting through a range of intense changes and coping with continually broken sleep. And while that completely frazzled ‘will-I-ever-manage-to-eat-a-hot-meal-again?’ phase doesn't last forever, I think your feelings about your body and its place in the world probably change for good.

What makes it even more difficult is that our society seems to have lost a little perspective. Physical presentation is so central to how women are judged and valued that keeping up appearances has become a whole new job for women, alongside our other roles. You don't have to go along with this, of course, but without doubt there are social penalties if you refuse to play the game. Many women talk about the ‘invisible at 40’ phenomenon, and perhaps that's what it is – an age group who have lost social visibility and status, because being a mother is not valued in the way it should be, because they're overstretched and spend a lot of time putting energy into other people, and because they're constantly compared to the botoxed, baby-body-bounce-back ideals of their celebrity counterparts.

What happened to beauty and fashion being about self-expression, creativity and fun? Sometimes it feels like they’re just another area where we can feel guilty and down on ourselves for not measuring up.

That's why the Government is supporting Body Confidence Week, which is a fantastic opportunity for everyone to celebrate positive body image and challenge the negative attitudes and actions that lead to poor self-esteem. We are marking this week by launching specially tailored guidance and activities for people who work with teenagers. It is absolutely vital that we support our children to develop resilience in the face of this pressure, to help them to avoid a lifetime of low body confidence and stop this cycle before it begins.

Jo Swinson will be on Twitter from 6.30pm on Friday evening, to discuss body confidence live. Do join her using the hashtag #bodyconfidence.

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rootypig · 16/10/2014 16:56

Do you know what else can evaporate on maternity leave? Paid work. I would much rather the government concerned itself with that, Jo Swinson.

What happened to beauty and fashion being about self-expression, creativity and fun? Sometimes it feels like they’re just another area where we can feel guilty and down on ourselves for not measuring up.

This is condescending nonsense not worthy of a Minister.

AlphaBravoHenryFoxtons · 16/10/2014 17:35

I'v just read this three times and I still don't really understand what it's about. It really is just waffle.

Wilf83 · 16/10/2014 17:45

I have far more confidence now that I've had a baby as it put things into perspective. I couldn't give a damn what I look like as long as my dd & I are healthy & happy.

ItMustBeBedtimeSurely · 16/10/2014 17:52

I think women would have more confidence if raising young children was actually valued in our society. According to the current (and previous, and prospective) government you only have value if you are in paid work.

But sure, make it about body confidence if that helps.

Devora · 16/10/2014 18:23

I think how women are objectified - and how they internalise that objectification - is a huge issue in our lives, including in our working lives, and we should claim it as such. It's not a fluffy side issue - unless you think there's something insubstantial about women's psychological wellbeing.

I can look back over my life and see how my body - and my and others' attitudes to it - have been significant at every stage of my life. I've been young, I've been middle aged, I've been fat, I've been thin, I've been considered beautiful, and am currently invisible. Only during pregnancy did I feel truly body confident. At work, I was very aware that it was an asset being young and pretty, but an asset I was very uncomfortable and never quite felt that I was in control of - it used me rather than me using it. And now I am older and socially invisible, which is many ways a relief, but there is absolutely no doubt that being a middle aged woman is not an asset in any workplace.

They point for me is that I didn't choose this. As Jo suggests, it's not voluntary. You can opt out of the whole beauty/fashion thing, but then you become invisible or pitied or despised. But you can talk about it and campaign about it, and you can try to make that journey a bit easier for the next generation. As the mother of daughters, I watch them looking at themselves in the mirror, or complaining that they're not blonde, and I think, "Oh no, here we go..." It's already a big issue in their lives, and it shouldn't be, and I think that's worth raising our voices about.

prettybird · 16/10/2014 18:32

I'm failing to see how going on/coming back from maternity leave relates to body confidence - especially re teenagers and style & beauty Confused

McGlashan · 16/10/2014 18:44

Since I've had a baby and yet have little body confidence, time for fashion or beauty. Yet I have far more confidence because I have little time for the anything but the things that truly matter. I can't believe how much time I wasted on this stuff when I was younger. I don't care if people think I'm invisible at 45. If people pity or despise me for it then they I think their opinion is not worth consideration quite frankly.
I must live in a parallel universe where women over 40 lose social status if they don't 'play the game'. Wome over 40 are the backbone of all the organisations I work in or with.

I'm another who thinks that the goverment have far more pressing issues to be dealing with than this.

Blondieminx · 16/10/2014 18:46

I agree that body confidence post-baby is an issue BUT the more important issue is how hard it is to get family friendly working hours. I would prefer ministers to concentrate on that tbh!

cailindana · 16/10/2014 19:10

I agree with rootypig.

Fashion and beauty were never ever, not ever about self expression, creativity and fun. And to say that they were shows an incredible lack of understanding of feminism and of the true issues behind women having a "lack of body confidence." Women are always lacking something, aren't they?

You know what I'm shit fucking sick of hearing about "issues" like this. Your time, Jo would be far better spent looking at why 85,000 women are raped every year, or why on average two women a week are killed by male partners.

Distracting us with twaddle like this and making women feel like you're being oh-so-caring by showing us how we can get more fun out of mascara is just a massive insult.

Get a fucking clue.

beatricequimby · 16/10/2014 19:10

Jo, as one of your constituents, I would rather you were working on something more important. I haven't had a reply yet to my email about the recognition of Palestine, if you are looking for a more worthwhile issue

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northernlurker · 16/10/2014 19:38

I don't think there is any need for people to be actively rude to Ms Swinson.
Poor self esteem is a huge problem for women. I have three daughters. I want them to have interesting careers and exciting interests. I want them to see the things they want to see and have everything they need. But more than anything I want two things for them - to be healthy and happy. Because a lot of women aren't and the habits that we start in childhood will always be with them.
So women my age hate how they look? I am not a bit surprised because my whole life has been spent in a culture which fiercely judges women for their appearance and it has left massive scars on my generation.
I am sitting here in a patterned top I really like. I would go as far as to say that perhaps as many as 7 in 10 women the same size and shape as me (H cup boobs, size 22) would not wear this top because they think pattern makes them look fatter and plain is better etc. Well screw that.

This IS an important issue for women.

Thanks for the gurst post.

meglet · 16/10/2014 19:42

So this is what the government thinks will target female voters at the general election next May Hmm. The Tories have done their best to make life harder for women the last few years, endless public service cuts, closing of refuges and sure start centres and the CSA charges. I'd have a damn sight more confidence if I wasn't terrified of what cuts us single parents were going to face if those cunts (in the un feminist reclaimed sense of the word) get back in next year.

and what Cailin said...

"You know what I'm shit fucking sick of hearing about "issues" like this. Your time, Jo would be far better spent looking at why 85,000 women are raped every year, or why on average two women a week are killed by male partners.

Distracting us with twaddle like this and making women feel like you're being oh-so-caring by showing us how we can get more fun out of mascara is just a massive insult.

Get a fucking clue."

SummerSazz · 16/10/2014 20:06

I agree confidence for rejoining the workplace is more important. this is about women being valued and men having flexible working opportunities and the wherewithal to share parenting tasks and adjustments to their careers equally.

I do have to say however I do feel more confident as a 40+ woman in the office for the gravitas as opposed to the young girl knows nothing syndrome when I was younger.

rootypig · 16/10/2014 20:16

But even if you do think "body confidence" should be top of the Minster for Women's agenda - and my point is, that as long as there is a pay gap; women are disproportionately represented in less well paid professions and precarious work; and there is widespread sexual and domestic violence - among the numerous forms of discrimination women suffer - talking about body image is like a sticking plaster for an amputation - Jo Swinson has nothing to say about the causes of women's poor self image: the objectification and underrepresentation of women across the media, pornification of popular culture, the rampant gendering of children's toys, and clothes - I could go on.

Unless the Minister wants to say something sensible about getting rid of page three, banning porn (including so called lads' mags) from newsagents and supermarkets, setting new advertising standards and beefing up the watchdog, tackling the music industry, leadership on children's play materials -

anything?

Or as cailin points out, are we to take responsibility and self castigate for this as well.

northernlurker · 16/10/2014 20:34

Rooty - I suggest you click on the link to the Campaign for Body Conference in the OP. The very first article there includes a letter from Ms Swinson to magazine editors asking that they 'Shed the fad diets and fitness myths on your pages' because of the harmful effects this has. Is that a sticking plaster too because it looks awfully like an attempt to address a CAUSE of poor self esteem (and ill health) to me.

rootypig · 16/10/2014 20:40

I clicked on the link. I wish I hadn't. I am even less impressed than I was.

northernlurker · 16/10/2014 20:46

So Ms Swinson has to do everything herself? Fix every issue, be the standard bearer for everything that's wrong? That's absurd. This campaign has an established identity addressing a specific issue which is seriously impacting on the lives of women in this country and worldwide today. I do not get why there is a chorus of disapproval.

rootypig · 16/10/2014 20:47

So Ms Swinson has to do everything herself? Fix every issue, be the standard bearer for everything that's wrong?

She is the Minister for Women and Equality Confused

rootypig · 16/10/2014 20:47

Equalities, I should say

northernlurker · 16/10/2014 20:54

And Jeremy Hunt is the Secretary of State for Health - doesn't mean he is personally responsible for curing every ill nor it would cause him to be pilloried for not mentioning heart disease when talking about cancer.

rootypig · 16/10/2014 21:08

Heart disease and cancer are largely separate issues of comparable importance.

Women's body image is part of a much wider picture of gender discrimination and violence and arguably an artefact of our discriminatory social and economic structures.

I am perfectly entitled to ask the Minister for Women and Equality to say something more sensible on the subject than: What makes it even more difficult is that our society seems to have lost a little perspective.

The sing song, conspiratorial tone is an excellent illustration of the government's tendency to talk to and about women as though they are halfwits.

rootypig · 16/10/2014 21:10

Equalities, gah!

ssd · 16/10/2014 22:05

bloody well said rootypig

If I want to read about women losing body confidence after having a baby I'll read a Myleene Klass interview

I expect something more worthwhile from the Women and Equalities Minister, like getting mothers back to work with flexible, affordable childcare.