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Guest Post: ‘I don't want children’ – is shunning motherhood the ultimate taboo?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/09/2014 10:09

"You're so good with children! How many do you have?" Parents often ask me this question, caught up in the glow of watching their kids drawing and joking around with me at my book events. As someone who writes and draws stories for children, they assume I'd be the most likely to want them myself. Sometimes they're taken aback when I tell them I don't have children. It's not that I can't - I just don't want to.

I have enormous respect for parents – wow, you go through a lot. I've had friends who told me before they had kids that it wouldn't change their lives very much; they'd still do all the things they did before. I knew they were wrong, and, sure enough, their lives all had colossal overhauls. I lost touch with some of them altogether.

So why didn't I join them? It's not a lack of respect for children, either. I think when kids meet me, they somehow relate to the fact that I don't "like children". Children don't like all children, either. That expression seems as odd to me as saying "I like adults".

One of my mother's friends had horses instead of children, and when my mother told me that 'Betty doesn't like children', I was at first horrified - 'why wouldn't you like someone like me?' But as Betty taught me how to ride her horses, and took me along by myself to horseshows with her, I felt extra special and grown up; I knew she didn't have to take me along, and I basked in the glow of her respect .

I love getting to know children as unique individuals and in some of them, I find kindred spirits. I love those moments of connection, and I love not being stuck forever with kids who don't connect with me. I have friends who want the best for their children - love them, but don't actually like them - and even friends who have confided that they wish they'd never had children.

But it's more than that. I guess I see myself as a sort of pioneer. It's only fairly recently that women have been able to make the choice to marry and not have kids. Having a supportive partner and the time to do something besides raise children seems like an exciting new world to me. I'm so grateful to my husband for this freedom. Maybe we're getting it wrong and will regret our choice... but maybe we won't.

Of course, plenty of women raise kids and do loads of other things, but I don't want to be a Supermum. I worry I'd either be dog-tired all the time, or give up doing what I love and secretly resent my kid for it.

I used to teach Sunday School classes in my husband's church, which was pretty much just babysitting the kids until the service was over. I tried to give it something more, and spent lots of time planning interesting craft projects. But since the kids had to be with me, they kicked back, messed around, and vandalised the room. It was horrible. "You just aren't that good with children", one of the other teachers said, as I fought back angry tears, feeling totally useless.

Then I started working as a children's book illustrator and, to promote my books, agreed to do stage events. Parents and teachers had prepped these children to understand that it was a special treat to meet me, and the kids paid attention. I felt I was actually making a difference. And they were so much more fun to be with. They knew that if they misbehaved, they'd have to leave, and they didn't want to miss out.

And I reckon that’s the hardest thing about being a parent: the kids know that, whatever they do, you're there for them. That rock-solid foundation lets them grow into well-adjusted adults. But it also means parents have to put up with endless demands on their time and energy – both physical and mental. I prefer being the fairy godmother figure, who can swoop in, enjoy the best of the children, and give them something a bit magical – a story idea, a new way of drawing, a career dream - that they can take home.

Maybe if I could guarantee that my child would love line and colour, drawing and reading as much as I do, and help me around the studio, I might risk it. But I know children are their own people, with their own tastes and agendas. I think my decision not to have my own children, as much as being a feminist act, is something borne out of a deep respect for kids.

Sarah McIntyre's latest books are Cakes in Space which she wrote with Philip Reeve, and her picture book Jampires with David O'Connell; both are out this week.

OP posts:
TsukuruTazaki · 07/09/2014 23:07

On her blog she claims mumsnetters have said she should not be on the site as she does not have children. NOwhere has anyone said that!!

redredread · 07/09/2014 23:54

I think it'd be interesting to look at why shunning fatherhood isn't remotely a taboo, whilst shunning motherhood can so readily be labelled as "the ultimate taboo". That seems to me to demonstrate a very reductive understanding of what women can and should do. Each to their own, I say. If people don't want children, then they are best off staying child free.

WhyBeHappyWhenYouCouldBeNormal · 08/09/2014 08:21

But she agrees with my first comment about regretting children being taboo (shine!). Her response has irritated me - however it seems that on twitter some Mumsnetters may have made comments which we can't see here.

MerryMarigold · 08/09/2014 09:59

I do find it odd that the few people I know who don't/ didn't want children all seem to make a Big. Thing. out of it - when it's not really a big thing for anyone else. (And when some of them have gone on to have kids, I don't know anyone who's thrown it back in their face either).

Hullygully · 08/09/2014 10:03

Just what one didn't want when one wrote a jolly little guest post thinking it just a little controversial...intelligent readers.

femin · 08/09/2014 11:28

MerryMarigold - Maybe they make a big thing out of it because others do. Some relatives especially constantly ask childless couples when they are having children. And if you say you are not, then they make a big deal out of it.

This pressure increases often as you get older.

I get that most here don't care, but a bit of empathy wouldn't go amiss.

motherinferior · 08/09/2014 11:56

So write a snappy, funny piece about the nagging from the relatives, bring in Bridget Jones and the Smug Marrieds, talk about friends' experiences...there is real potential there for a decent feature.

The problem with this one is it's neither original nor well-written. There's potential in the 'not good with children' par - bring that out, talk about it some more, make it come alive (make it funny and self-deprecating again), the children's writer/illustrator who's crap with kids. But it's just...flabby.

tobeabat · 08/09/2014 12:00

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MerryMarigold · 08/09/2014 13:21

Yes, I get that with people 'our age' our parents would probably mostly 'expect' grandchildren. So there could be pressure from the older generation. I also understand that sometimes people with kids gush about them so much that others may THINK if they are over sensitive that you're trying to persuade them to have kids. But I don't think I have come across anyone my age (41) who actually thinks not having kids is even vaguely 'wrong' let alone 'taboo'.

motherinferior · 08/09/2014 14:09

I think I'm being quite helpful, actually, I've suggested loads of ways the piece could be improved. Grin

saintlyjimjams · 08/09/2014 14:32

I do find it odd that the few people I know who don't/ didn't want children all seem to make a Big. Thing. out of it - when it's not really a big thing for anyone else

Well yes - this was the case with my (ex) friend.

I mean surely the group who are going to easily see the advantages of NOT having kids are parents (especially, I think, mothers)

Rox19 · 08/09/2014 17:23

I agree with others here.
Most of my peers I am starting to think won't have children most are 32 and of 60 of Facebook uni friends now all aged 31/32, only 2 others have children. No big deal at all!

Also my mum has lots of child free friends and so does my dad. Never been an issue for anyone there either! Each enjoys hearing the other persons lifestyle (work, kids/ grand kids/ mutual friends etc).

I think it is the woman that has the issue, no one else! I never ask anyone at work etc if they have children as it's not important. Grin

ZenNudist · 09/09/2014 23:21

I find the tone of the blog smug given she knows her audience to be primarily mothers.

She avoids giving an explanation about her child free state being due to not liking children but it's a bit disingenuous. At the end of the day she doesn't get what mums just get about why having a child is so special and life changing. Nor can she get why all the admittedly huge down sides are outweighed by the upsides.

I always think it's funny that child free or child raising each side views the other with pity and think they got the better deal. Different people have different priorities, enjoyments, interests. Get used to it OP.

I think its true that choosing to be childless is a slightly less common than raising a family but it's not pioneering.

I don't judge people for not having children unless they start slagging off having children.

area52 · 09/09/2014 23:33

ok for all mothers who think this is a "non issue" why don't you watch this 90 sec clip of kylie being harassed by a journalist. (at age 42, single and 5 years after her chemo for cancer which is likely to have impacted on her fertility)

m.youtube.com/watch?v=X6Rj6Vz4VnQ

can you imagine them doing the same to (say) George Clooney?

area52 · 09/09/2014 23:45

many of the comments on this thread are just nasty.

the OP has said:

  • she is a childen's book illustrator
  • she gets asked about having kids a lot and it is to a certain extent an expection that most married woman will have children unless there is "something wrong"
  • she doesn't fancy a life of juggling too many responsibilities and feels she is making the best decision out of respect of her own potential dc
  • she feels that it is a feminist issue (which is true it would be surprising if it wasn't)

so I can't see what all the vitriol is about at all.

area52 · 10/09/2014 00:01

zen it is so patronizing of you to assume that the OP doesn't get how "special and life changing" have dc is.

She clearly knows that it is "special and life changing" but has weighed up the pros and cons from her perspective and decided that it isn't.

Also where exactly did she 'slag off' having children? I see she did quite the opposite and almost venerated parents as saintly and unselfish. which of course isn't true in the slightest

area52 · 10/09/2014 00:04

#decided that it isn't for her

WinifredTheLostDenver · 10/09/2014 07:37

I loved the Mystical Maze illustrations too, thank you.

I can imagine that if your job involves giving talks to children etc you get more chat about how good you are with children, whether you have children etc than the average working woman.

I have two kids and I'd've probably cried if a Sunday school group had run amok... This is why I gave up any idea of being a teacher.

I would guess that something like 20% of MNers don't have kids - some by choice, some not, some will down the line but not yet. I would imagine a non MNer thinks that 99% of posters have kids though!

MerryMarigold · 10/09/2014 11:27

90 sec clip of kylie being harassed by a journalist.

I didn't see a lot of harassment. A lot more to Dani if anything. They asked her because her sister is having a baby (and not known to be the most sensitive) and she said no and avoided the issue, seemed to be it as far as I could see. I am sure if George Clooney's sister was pregnant and they were doing an interview together, the question may come up too. Sheesh.

MerryMarigold · 10/09/2014 11:28

Sorry, but unclear. I didn't mean Dani is insensitive but journalists are not known for their sensitivity so they ask Kylie this question not really thinking about the chemo effects etc. She shuts them down. End of.

area52 · 10/09/2014 12:34

merry she gets asked about having children in almost every interview she does.... they are hoping she will break down and admit that, despite her success, she has failed in some way by not.being a mother. and if you don't believe that this narrative exists (in the media at the very least) the you are deluded.

area52 · 10/09/2014 12:36

merry she gets asked about having children in almost every interview she does.... they are hoping she will break down and admit that, despite her success, she has failed in some way by not.being a mother. and if you don't believe that this narrative exists (in the media at the very least) then you are deluded.

MerryMarigold · 10/09/2014 16:12

area, i don't really follow Kylie interviews, but I believe you. I just thought that particular one you linked didn't fit what you were saying about it.

superstarheartbreaker · 10/09/2014 22:17

I wouldn't not have children as a feminist act.
I would not have them because of the hard work and sacrifice etc involved.

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