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Guest Post: ‘I don't want children’ – is shunning motherhood the ultimate taboo?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/09/2014 10:09

"You're so good with children! How many do you have?" Parents often ask me this question, caught up in the glow of watching their kids drawing and joking around with me at my book events. As someone who writes and draws stories for children, they assume I'd be the most likely to want them myself. Sometimes they're taken aback when I tell them I don't have children. It's not that I can't - I just don't want to.

I have enormous respect for parents – wow, you go through a lot. I've had friends who told me before they had kids that it wouldn't change their lives very much; they'd still do all the things they did before. I knew they were wrong, and, sure enough, their lives all had colossal overhauls. I lost touch with some of them altogether.

So why didn't I join them? It's not a lack of respect for children, either. I think when kids meet me, they somehow relate to the fact that I don't "like children". Children don't like all children, either. That expression seems as odd to me as saying "I like adults".

One of my mother's friends had horses instead of children, and when my mother told me that 'Betty doesn't like children', I was at first horrified - 'why wouldn't you like someone like me?' But as Betty taught me how to ride her horses, and took me along by myself to horseshows with her, I felt extra special and grown up; I knew she didn't have to take me along, and I basked in the glow of her respect .

I love getting to know children as unique individuals and in some of them, I find kindred spirits. I love those moments of connection, and I love not being stuck forever with kids who don't connect with me. I have friends who want the best for their children - love them, but don't actually like them - and even friends who have confided that they wish they'd never had children.

But it's more than that. I guess I see myself as a sort of pioneer. It's only fairly recently that women have been able to make the choice to marry and not have kids. Having a supportive partner and the time to do something besides raise children seems like an exciting new world to me. I'm so grateful to my husband for this freedom. Maybe we're getting it wrong and will regret our choice... but maybe we won't.

Of course, plenty of women raise kids and do loads of other things, but I don't want to be a Supermum. I worry I'd either be dog-tired all the time, or give up doing what I love and secretly resent my kid for it.

I used to teach Sunday School classes in my husband's church, which was pretty much just babysitting the kids until the service was over. I tried to give it something more, and spent lots of time planning interesting craft projects. But since the kids had to be with me, they kicked back, messed around, and vandalised the room. It was horrible. "You just aren't that good with children", one of the other teachers said, as I fought back angry tears, feeling totally useless.

Then I started working as a children's book illustrator and, to promote my books, agreed to do stage events. Parents and teachers had prepped these children to understand that it was a special treat to meet me, and the kids paid attention. I felt I was actually making a difference. And they were so much more fun to be with. They knew that if they misbehaved, they'd have to leave, and they didn't want to miss out.

And I reckon that’s the hardest thing about being a parent: the kids know that, whatever they do, you're there for them. That rock-solid foundation lets them grow into well-adjusted adults. But it also means parents have to put up with endless demands on their time and energy – both physical and mental. I prefer being the fairy godmother figure, who can swoop in, enjoy the best of the children, and give them something a bit magical – a story idea, a new way of drawing, a career dream - that they can take home.

Maybe if I could guarantee that my child would love line and colour, drawing and reading as much as I do, and help me around the studio, I might risk it. But I know children are their own people, with their own tastes and agendas. I think my decision not to have my own children, as much as being a feminist act, is something borne out of a deep respect for kids.

Sarah McIntyre's latest books are Cakes in Space which she wrote with Philip Reeve, and her picture book Jampires with David O'Connell; both are out this week.

OP posts:
Iggi999 · 06/09/2014 08:54

Roonerspism - would you like to clarify exactly who you are calling a bitch, rather than hiding behind such a generalised attack?
I believe personal attacks are frowned upon on mumsnet.

ReadyToBreak · 06/09/2014 09:40

I don't want children.

I still get the "oh you will one day" or "you will when you meet the right person" spiel but I really don't want children.

This doesn't mean I don't like children, as is often assumed, I love other people's children and I'm really quite good with them!

Many women that I socialise with/work with and even family members just don't get that I have no desire to have mini mes running around in my life.

It is quite an alien concept to many people still.

Mintyy · 06/09/2014 09:45

"The mumsnet bitches are out in force.... Let's hope they crawl back under their rocks."

Oh the irony. I might try reporting that one and see if hq think its a bit much. Not holding out any hope, but will give it a whirl.

tellmesomething · 06/09/2014 10:09

I don't think not wanting children is taboo, I find saying I am happy with just one is taboo "really, I'm sure you will change your mind eventually" no- I'm fine seriously. And this even comes from the 'don't want kids' camp

Oblomov · 06/09/2014 10:30

I too thought that many of the comments were quite bitchy.

The one about church, being told she wasn't good, and then a poster told her to 'get a grip'. nice!!!!!

The article is ok. I think she is less if a pioneer than she thinks she is. But maybe as said, her world is very conservative. Is she American? There was something about her writing that made me think so.

DownByTheRiverside · 06/09/2014 11:04

I was the one wondering if she was getting comments from women from a conservative church background, it wasn't meant to be bitchy, just experience of dealing with those who have a somewhat narrow view of what a woman's rloe in a marriage is. If you've never looked outside your cultural box, it can be pretty startling to find out that what you thought was radical and pioneering is regarded as mainstream by many.

Selks · 06/09/2014 11:09

There is no taboo these days in choosing not to have children. To many people it's really not a big deal.

motherinferior · 06/09/2014 11:13

It's not bitchy to say it's not a very good piece. Different slant and structure would have lifted it quite a bit.

Roonerspism · 06/09/2014 12:27

Whoever asked me to name the bitchy posters.... It's pretty obvious! Sneering, sniping posts stick out a mile off.

It isn't bitchy, of course, to disagree. But I'm always amazed at the number of threads that descend into a pile up of venomous malice.

A lot of my friends have left MN as a result.

So forgive me for pointing out blatant rudeness.

TBH, most of the problem with the thread is in the title which was probably not even written by the OP.

Iggi999 · 06/09/2014 12:36

You didn't say they were bitchy though, you called them bitches. That is clearly an attack.

Roonerspism · 06/09/2014 12:40

Semantics. They were being bitches. I will say it again.

What is your point?

sunbathe · 06/09/2014 12:43

Why do these guest posters never stick around?

Can't they take robust criticism?

What is the point of these guest posts, MN?

geekaMaxima · 06/09/2014 12:52

Oblomov - well spotted from her writing style: she is American. According to her wiki page, born in Seattle and now lives in London.

Looks to me like her perceptions of what's "normal" for women of childbearing age are rooted in her US origins - and also her husband's church - and hence are a little out of whack with MNers' predominantly UK experience.

Iggi999 · 06/09/2014 13:04

My point Rooner is that if you had written "I see that poster Iggi is out tonight, she's a bitch" then you would have been quite rightly deleted. But you can call a whole undefined group of posters bitches and that's just fine. I think this is a pot/kettle case tbh.

Mintyy · 06/09/2014 13:07

Quite.

josedc · 06/09/2014 13:41

Sarah's books are fantastic. My boy loves them, especially her beautiful bold drawings. And anything that can help him engage in reading I'm all for. So if she's made the choice to dedicate her time to drawing and writing these books, then brilliant.

edamsavestheday · 06/09/2014 14:00

As MI says, it's a dreary piece of writing - I'd be disappointed if I'd commissioned it. Actually I have just commissioned a piece on this topic and though I say so myself the writer has covered much more interesting angles. (Writing style not great though, took a bit of editing.)

And yes, it's hardly an original idea. FFS even if it's odd in her social circle, a basic google would have shown her she's no pioneer.

femin · 06/09/2014 14:10

Its not unusual not to have children, It is true if you don't have children as you get older you will be asked lots if you are going to have children. If you say no, you either get told you will change your mind, or asked to justify it.

So no not a taboo, but not seen as "good" choice to make either.

Carrie370 · 06/09/2014 17:22

Roonerspism, I agree, there are so many bitchy people who sneer, denigrate and snipe on these threads. My theory is that they are in such tight control in real life, that the only way they can vent their spleen and have any outlet for their inner nasty sides is by anonymously bitching on Mumsnet.

I just read this for the crack, really, I don't have strong opinions on the subject matter. It's like an adult playground on here.

Greengrow · 06/09/2014 18:28

I don't agree it's only recently women did not choose to have children. In the UK in the 1500s plenty joined convents to avoid the cares of a life of children and husband. In the 1920s my grandfather's three sisters did not have children and had careers. At least three of his brothers chose not to have a family either.

I wanted children from at least age 14 and a lot and am lucky enough to have 5. However I accept not everyone is as into it as I am - I have adored the process of being pregnant, breastfeeding and now bringing them up (and always working full time). That is not for every adult of either gender. Plenty don't want children and that's fine too.

morethanpotatoprints · 06/09/2014 18:37

I can sort of relate to this as in a similar position in my youth people used to ask the same.
I loved working with children and found a natural rapport, but I certainly didn't want any myself and met a man who was happy with this decision.
however, I ended up with 3 definitely not planned but the latter 2 weren't stopped neither iyswim.
I don't think anybody really knows they don't want children, I certainly didn't and was adamant I was never going to have any.
The sight of a pram and a baby just did nothing to me, they were too young for me to work with so I wasn't interested. Children were my customers, they told their parents what they wanted, they were the boss and I performed accordingly. That was the extent of my relationship with kids, except for nieces and nephews whom I loved to bits, but still glad to give them back at the end of a couple of hours.

DownByTheRiverside · 06/09/2014 18:38

Greengrow, it was often being married or in a relationship without children that was the sticking point.
Yes, you could be a spinster or a nun, but that usually meant no hetrosexual sex either.

Mintyy · 06/09/2014 18:51

How can we get to a place where we can disagree about something on Mumsnet without being written off as uptight bitches spouting bile? I am fed up with the shutting down of debate or opinion that is anything other than party line.

Your comments are by miles the most unpleasant on this thread Carrie!

DownByTheRiverside · 06/09/2014 18:58

Where's Hully with her glitter stick of love and the special wafty vibes?
I tend to regard unfounded accusations as being hurled by those who find debating a challenge.

Carrie370 · 06/09/2014 19:12

We can disagree, and we can debate, but there is no need for the self-satisfied and smug tone of some posters (naming no names, but the particular one which grabbed my attention is 14th down in this thread) Wink

That is inflammatory bile, and there is no need for it.

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