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Guest Post: ‘I don't want children’ – is shunning motherhood the ultimate taboo?

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MumsnetGuestPosts · 05/09/2014 10:09

"You're so good with children! How many do you have?" Parents often ask me this question, caught up in the glow of watching their kids drawing and joking around with me at my book events. As someone who writes and draws stories for children, they assume I'd be the most likely to want them myself. Sometimes they're taken aback when I tell them I don't have children. It's not that I can't - I just don't want to.

I have enormous respect for parents – wow, you go through a lot. I've had friends who told me before they had kids that it wouldn't change their lives very much; they'd still do all the things they did before. I knew they were wrong, and, sure enough, their lives all had colossal overhauls. I lost touch with some of them altogether.

So why didn't I join them? It's not a lack of respect for children, either. I think when kids meet me, they somehow relate to the fact that I don't "like children". Children don't like all children, either. That expression seems as odd to me as saying "I like adults".

One of my mother's friends had horses instead of children, and when my mother told me that 'Betty doesn't like children', I was at first horrified - 'why wouldn't you like someone like me?' But as Betty taught me how to ride her horses, and took me along by myself to horseshows with her, I felt extra special and grown up; I knew she didn't have to take me along, and I basked in the glow of her respect .

I love getting to know children as unique individuals and in some of them, I find kindred spirits. I love those moments of connection, and I love not being stuck forever with kids who don't connect with me. I have friends who want the best for their children - love them, but don't actually like them - and even friends who have confided that they wish they'd never had children.

But it's more than that. I guess I see myself as a sort of pioneer. It's only fairly recently that women have been able to make the choice to marry and not have kids. Having a supportive partner and the time to do something besides raise children seems like an exciting new world to me. I'm so grateful to my husband for this freedom. Maybe we're getting it wrong and will regret our choice... but maybe we won't.

Of course, plenty of women raise kids and do loads of other things, but I don't want to be a Supermum. I worry I'd either be dog-tired all the time, or give up doing what I love and secretly resent my kid for it.

I used to teach Sunday School classes in my husband's church, which was pretty much just babysitting the kids until the service was over. I tried to give it something more, and spent lots of time planning interesting craft projects. But since the kids had to be with me, they kicked back, messed around, and vandalised the room. It was horrible. "You just aren't that good with children", one of the other teachers said, as I fought back angry tears, feeling totally useless.

Then I started working as a children's book illustrator and, to promote my books, agreed to do stage events. Parents and teachers had prepped these children to understand that it was a special treat to meet me, and the kids paid attention. I felt I was actually making a difference. And they were so much more fun to be with. They knew that if they misbehaved, they'd have to leave, and they didn't want to miss out.

And I reckon that’s the hardest thing about being a parent: the kids know that, whatever they do, you're there for them. That rock-solid foundation lets them grow into well-adjusted adults. But it also means parents have to put up with endless demands on their time and energy – both physical and mental. I prefer being the fairy godmother figure, who can swoop in, enjoy the best of the children, and give them something a bit magical – a story idea, a new way of drawing, a career dream - that they can take home.

Maybe if I could guarantee that my child would love line and colour, drawing and reading as much as I do, and help me around the studio, I might risk it. But I know children are their own people, with their own tastes and agendas. I think my decision not to have my own children, as much as being a feminist act, is something borne out of a deep respect for kids.

Sarah McIntyre's latest books are Cakes in Space which she wrote with Philip Reeve, and her picture book Jampires with David O'Connell; both are out this week.

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DownByTheRiverside · 05/09/2014 17:14

Do you think she posted on the right site?
OP, post on Netmums and see if the responses are different. Grin
Market research.

captainproton · 05/09/2014 17:21

Yes dear, you're right up there with the sufragettes and the fgm campaigners.

I wish I could be a feminist pioneer too but I've had 2 kids. I'm commuting home now to see DH who incidentally is at home with the kids and is their primary caregiver.

it may come as a surprise to you but you dont need to have a womb to take care of children. You can have a child and a career, and have a SAHD as a partner.

comixminx · 05/09/2014 18:28

Fine, so she's not the world's most unique and special pioneer. She nevertheless still gets a lot of the same stick that lots of people do about her choices to have children, not have children, have only one child, have 'too many' children. It may not be that surprising in this day and age for a married woman not to have children, but that doesn't stop people from continually commenting, insinuating, and having expectations that they're more than happy to share, sometimes quite rudely.

comixminx · 05/09/2014 18:35

PS I wouldn't blame the OP for the headline about it being the ultimate taboo - nowhere in her actual post does she say anything like that, it is presumably MN's phrasing.

DownByTheRiverside · 05/09/2014 18:38

Being a member of the church, she's probably come across more prejudice about what the role of a married female should be. Isn't having children mentioned in the ceremony, or is that just some sects?

AlisonJuggler · 05/09/2014 18:46

I don't think not wanting to have children is a taboo at all. The real taboo is HAVING children and not wanting them... nobody talks about that feeling! I'm a mum to 4 kids who I love very much, but there were times when they were little that I felt so overwhelmed and tired that I considered giving my very difficult but DD away to a friend who I thought would do a better job of bringing her up! Of course I now know that I am absolutely the right and best person to be her mother and I'm glad it was no more than a passing thought, but if it had been ok to say "I don't want children... but I've got some!" I would have felt so relieved to be allowed to admit it and get help. So I think THAT'S the taboo that needs talking about. Mums need to be able to be honest about their feelings without fear of being branded cold and heartless. Mums need help not judgement when they feel that way or they'll keep their feelings inside and, as we've seen too often in the news, that can end in disaster.

GerbilsAteMyCat · 05/09/2014 19:08

Loved your mythical maze illustrations by the way for the summer reading challenge.

Nulliferous · 05/09/2014 19:14

I don't get this. I'm 50, childfree by choice, as are most of my friends, male and female. It has never, ever, ever been an issue. Seriously, the debate has moved on now.

LadyIsabellaWrotham · 05/09/2014 19:30

I agree that the bloody stupid title is the main reason why the OP is getting a kicking. If it was written by a MNHQ staffer then they need to fess up and have a slapped wrist.

comixminx · 05/09/2014 19:32

Nulliferous, clearly it hasn't moved on for everyone everywhere.

tobeabat · 05/09/2014 19:35

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geekaMaxima · 05/09/2014 20:02

Oh ffs, the smugness of some of the replies on this thread far outweigh anything in the op. Hmm

So you know so many women/couples who are childless by choice that it invalidates the op's stated experience to the contrary? How lovely for you to believe your experience is so important!

A children's book illustrator doesn't want to have kids herself and explains why. That's a perfectly reasonable basis for a guest post.

motherinferior · 05/09/2014 20:17

I think perhaps the majority of the posters on this thread live in a slightly more, er, enlightened and varied world than the OP assumes. We feel a bit patronised by her assumptions.

The unusual spin on this piece would be if she'd written about being an illustrator, and why she illustrates books for children, and the insight that gives her into children's minds and outlook. She could then work outward to 'but I don't want them myself', perhaps bringing in the Sunday School anecdote there. Needs a different structure and balance to have the quirkiness she's aiming for.

tobeabat · 05/09/2014 20:37

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AppleAndMelon · 05/09/2014 20:53

This old chestnut Hmm.

Mintyy · 05/09/2014 21:06

"A children's book illustrator doesn't want to have kids herself and explains why. That's a perfectly reasonable basis for a guest post."

Strongly disagree with this ^.

I would hope guest posts would be interesting.

Iggi999 · 05/09/2014 21:24

Loads of people work with kids and don't have any themselves. Teachers, sports instructors, social workers etc.

I'm surprised lots of people ask her how many dcs she's got. Generally I'd steer away from such a question as many people can't give the answer they would like to give.

AlleyCat11 · 05/09/2014 21:58

Nulliferous' point is interesting. Maybe that's true for the 50 something demographic. Most of my friends are mid-thirties, educated, had good careers. They traded their jobs in to become SAHMs. And it seems that was the plan / is the ideal. They would not be surprised if I did the same. But they will be if I don't have a kid when I get married next year.

TheGirlWhoPlayedWithFire · 05/09/2014 22:16

This isn't a controversial issue. Honestly in reality no-one gives a shit.

I've noticed a surge of these articles in the last few years, your not the first certainly won't be the last. However at least OP isn't nasty or disrepectful.

I just can't see why anyone gets worked up about what another person is up to. If a colleague/friend/family member chose to have or not have children it genuinely wouldn't affect me. My opinion on another person choice to bear children matters not a jot.

Some people choose to have children, some choose not to. The choice alone is not a new thing and quite frankly it's not article/essay worthy.

geekaMaxima · 05/09/2014 22:17

I think perhaps the majority of the posters on this thread live in a slightly more, er, enlightened and varied world than the OP assumes. We feel a bit patronised by her assumptions.

Feeling patronised is one way to respond, but it assumes the op is being an ass. An alternative is to assume that the op's social circles are much more conservative than she realises, and hence she had no idea the rest of mn holds a different norm. I think the op's assumptions may embarrass her more than patronise us.

But if it's pioneering in her circles to choose not to have kids, then, hey - good for her.

Messygirl · 05/09/2014 22:44

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MummyBeerest · 06/09/2014 02:22

It's really not taboo to the rest of the world for a person, male or female, to not want children. Additionally, you can like children without having them.

However, having just seen a fb post by a friend congratulating another friend on the birth of a baby, and all the comments that followed were "You love babies? !?! THEN WHY AREN'T YOU PREGNANT????"

So maybe in smaller social circles, yes, it's a big deal.

Roonerspism · 06/09/2014 07:15

The mumsnet bitches are out in force.... Let's hope they crawl back under their rocks.

I enjoyed this post, particularly the bit about not liking "all children". I completely agree. Children are just little adults and many adults are rather unpleasant and some are just awful.

It is a more unusual life choice for a woman to choose not to have kids and one I completely respect. I adore my kids (and I like them too!) I have had to sideline my career and interests and I'm glad I did. I like hearing the other perspective.

But in a thread on "mumsnet", you won't find many kindred spirits.

Flangeshrub · 06/09/2014 07:35

'Mumsnet bitches out in forces' jeez! So we all rollover and tell the OP she's SO clever and brave for not having children and is the first person EVER to recognise that nobody likes ALL children.

The truth is it's a boring and repetitive argument. Every day in the last few years there is an article somewhere where some woman is banging on about how groundbreaking it is NOT having children.

Problem is the stats don't support that - loads of women aren't having children - is it 1 in 5?

Hardly worth painting yourself as a bloody pioneer! It's patronising.

Or, because we are good obedient wimmin, are we meant to just clap politely and thank the OP for her interesting input?

SlicedAndDiced · 06/09/2014 08:43

My sister doesn't want children, no one has ever given it a second thought as far as I know.

Three of my elderly teachers didn't have children either.

I'm not kicking the op, just saying that it's not a new thing to not want children. It's quite common.

Have tons of them, have none, just have one. There will always be someone that judges you for your choices.