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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

OP posts:
scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 19:38

Potato,I must comment on your illiberal and repressive opinion that you don't think any woman should be encouraged into work when she has had children. Supported if this is her decision but not considered as the norm.Where are the men,in that statement?are men allowed to work when they've had children?

I'm not defined by being a parent and no I wouldn't give up work,because I'd had children.in fact being a parent was an impetus to work harder

Well fortunately,you're wrong.the majority of parents work ONS 2013
And work has demonstrable benefits for mental and physical health and self esteem

Offred · 28/02/2014 19:47

While I agree these issues apply to parents not just mothers potato wasn't saying people should be forced out of work. In the context of the discussion, I think that the point was people shouldn't be forced into work. That people should be supported to make the personal decision that's right for them or even a series of personal decisions as things change.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 19:47

Scottish

As we are talking about sahm's I didn't think it necessary to include fathers in this discussion.

I'm also not defined by being a parent, nor as a product of employment.
Having children gave me the impetus to give up work and care for my family and home.

Not working has had demonstrable benefits for my mental, physical health and self esteem. These don't diminish just because you don't work for a living.

How you can argue that somebodies opinion is wrong, I have no idea. But if it makes you feel better....

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 19:51

Sorry just seen Offred

Yes, that's exactly what I was saying. I do think women should be supported if they want to work, good grief we fought for the right for so long.
It's just that as long as wohm or sahm is considered the ideal/norm the chances for choice, recognition, validation of position is not going to happen.
As long as there is no norm, I believe there is hope for true equality and choice.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 19:52

It is purpose that has benefits for health and self-esteem. Some people find purpose in paid employment, some people find purpose in SAH parenting. Some in quite different things. But it is quite wrong to think that all people will find more purpose in paid employment than in any other activity they might engage in.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 19:53

Well you're prepared to argue childcare makes children institutionalised
You've made v definitive statements,v strident assertions
I'm including men as the op did in her wish list solution,and women need a waged partner usually male to fund the housewifery

Offred · 28/02/2014 19:56

Some people I think believe that no-one should be supported with anything and we should practice 'personal responsibility' no matter what the cost.

I think the playing field is not level to start which makes this objectively unreasonable but subjectively the consequences of every man for himself are intolerable for me personally. I do believe in the principle of support and I think this also has the effect of building a healthier and more efficient society.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 19:57

Crikey, scottishmummy. "Institutionalised childcare" is not synonymous with "childcare makes children institutionalised*. You need nightschool in use of English I think we had all realised as well as Economics Wink

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 19:59

Has the op posted on her own thread?

Offred · 28/02/2014 20:02

Childcare institutions provided institutionalised childcare. This is just a fact scottishmummy. I'm not sure what your particular hang up is with this? It's a factual statement not a derogatory one. I agree you are making it look like you are the one with the problem with it. My kids attend preschool and school which is institutionalised childcare, at the ages they are and within the current framework institutionalised childcare is what I've chosen for the preschool age for my children because it is an institution and I want them prepared for life in institutionalised education...

With institutions the values of the institution are what determines the outcomes of the people within it and it's the values that people have different opinions on. I'm not sure how you can actually seriously argue that they aren't institutions.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 20:06

If you use institutional childcare you have, IMVHO, to work extremely hard outside the institutional context to add value to your child's experience of the world. Because it is an institution, and therefore your child's experience within it will be limited to the frontiers of that institution.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 20:06

Our kids went to nursery ft at 6months.i needed ft nursery to return to work
Nursery has been v advantageous for us

Offred · 28/02/2014 20:10

I'm sure it has but I'm also not sure what your point is? You seem to think any way which doesn't validate what you did is not objectively valuable.

janebblogger · 28/02/2014 20:10

I was a SAHM by choice, well I had such bad morning sickness with no. 1 I had to give up my flower growing/florist business. But the next two were close together and I breastfed and they never slept. BUT I wouldn't have had it any other way and felt privileged to be home with them. However, the people who made me feel most guilty about my choice, were other mums. That really saddened me. How judgmental they were and superior for putting their kids in childcare and getting back to work. I did start a business from home when no.3 was about 9 weeks, in between the feeds, arts and crafts and grubby highchairs. I did it. But it was a bit manic. SAHMs should be revered not looked on as dropouts.

Offred · 28/02/2014 20:12

I don't think SAHP should be revered. I do think they should be valued and considered of equal status to WOHP.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 20:15

Women shouldn't automatically be revered.the deification of women is repressive

LauraBridges · 28/02/2014 20:16

It is very very necessary to include fathers. All the appalling sexism which ruins the life so many women comes from this assumption that women are the ones who care for children. We need to overturn that myth.

I don't think most full time working parents go around saying the are superior to fathers or mothers who don't work outside the home. I really never see that. In fact why would see those none working parents to speak to them? We just operate in different worlds and lives surely.

I certainly agree with this:
"scottishmummy Fri 28-Feb-14 19:38:42
Potato,I must comment on your illiberal and repressive opinion that you don't think any woman should be encouraged into work when she has had children. Supported if this is her decision but not considered as the norm.Where are the men,in that statement?are men allowed to work when they've had children?
I'm not defined by being a parent and no I wouldn't give up work,because I'd had children.in fact being a parent was an impetus to work harder
Well fortunately,you're wrong.the majority of parents work ONS 2013
And work has demonstrable benefits for mental and physical health and self esteem".

Offred · 28/02/2014 20:17

Frankly there should not be a stigma attached to a woman's role whatever the choice is. If she is a SAHP she's dead weight if she's a WOHP she's a bad mother. The same judgement is not applied to men except for that the stigma against working in the home is greater than the stigma against being a mother so SAHDs are often met with a mix of shock, praise and suspicion (is he just lazy?). There shouldn't be a stigma attached to caring work of any kind but there is because society treats it as less valuable whether it is paid or unpaid. If we want equality we need to legislate to accommodate family commitments through the availability of high quality childcare for parents who work and flexible working.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 20:19

Of course this need to include men,op has in her wish list solution

Offred · 28/02/2014 20:21

And we need to value work of all kinds. I'm not sure it is ever acceptable for people to work for no pay. Caring for their own children included. If SAHP's had a salary from the state they could choose to use it to pay for childcare or to have it as their income.

I don't think it is unachievable, we already have SMP.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 20:24

Why would I work unpaid when I have in demand skills I am remunerated for
Food isn't free,the mortgage Needs paid,I want consumer durables.all fulfilled via paid employment

TeamWill · 28/02/2014 20:26

I disagree, men who care for children are judged.

The main protagonists were SAHM who did the whole sneery " how do you trust him" " My DH wouldn't be able to care for my DC as well as me" shite." How weird your DH likes children" Hmm
WOHM were mostly supportive and as they admitted quite jealous that I get a clean house and a nice dinner when I get home from work ( as does DH)Grin

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 20:26

I never use the word institution, I don't go to the healthcare institution (hospital) or my DCs use the educational institution (school), my elderly mother is not in a care institution so admit it or not it is a loaded word and usually designed to be derogatory.
Institution is more a word from the 50s to describe mental hospitals (I think it was).

So SAHMs who don't want their DCs institutionalized are being goady whether they put on fluttery emoticons or not Smile Wink

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 20:26

Watching your own kids isn't work.nor is doing your own laundry

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 20:30

I don't do my own laundry (or not all of it). I pay someone else to do some of that work for me, and some of it I do myself. It sure feels like work to me!