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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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impty · 28/02/2014 15:44

impty do you see then that the real target of attitude change to sahp and increasing hours of school etc is single parents?

No, I think the increasing of school hours as a vote pleaser for working parents, who would benefit from this.

As I've said before sahp's tend to be lumped in with people on benefits, and lone parents also get put in this very general catagory. A group who are reliant on state help.

It's a very simplistic view, but one that appeals to the massses of two working parent families. It demonises them, and therefore propels more into paid work.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:46

No, because McKinsey consultancies don't have an ideology. They have cost-cutting tools and benchmarking with other countries and they just try to copy what the neighbour is doing marginally better.

Where did Liz Truss get all her very superficial ideas of what goes on in other countries if it wasn't some consultancy benchmarking exercise? To give just one example. I can just see that great binder of Powerpoint slides and all those bar charts churned out by well-paid but overworked Oxbridge graduate analysts... Same sort of thing in France (except that the analysts come from HEC and Polytechnique).

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 15:46

But what is the ideological point of targeting single parents? They aren't going to become any less due to these policies (except maybe a few young mothers)

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 15:47

i genuinely believe the increasing of school hours and workfare have a hand in hand relationship.

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:47

offred I think the idea that you may do as you choose with your DC, but that you must fund it is pretty well established on the right.

I know. Problem is most people can't afford choice. This govt has made policies which make most people poorer and less able to afford choice.

impty · 28/02/2014 15:51

Oh, and I agree there is no grand plan! No hidden agenda.

Most people have to work to live. Therefore, most people resent those who don't work. Politicians try to appeal to most people.

So, if you don't work, and choose to stay at home, you will become a target to many people, including politicians. That doesn't mean they are right. It certainly doesn't mean they've thought through an ideological stance. Grin

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:53

But what is the ideological point of targeting single parents? They aren't going to become any less due to these policies.

There is definitely a belief (yet to be proven correct) that if people know that the state is not going to step in to support them, they might not put themselves in a potentially precarious situation in the first place.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:53

offred I'm no fan of this lot but looking at the situation dispassionately, the siuation for the working poor in the UK has been worsening for many years.

The Blair/Brown administration were able to stave off the worst of it by propping up the low paid via benefits. But they could only do that in the golden years of high tax take and the selling off of the gold reserves.

Now times is tight...

impty · 28/02/2014 15:53

i genuinely believe the increasing of school hours and workfare have a hand in hand relationship.

I don't think Gov. Dept's are particularly able or equipped to join up in this way, even if they wanted to.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:56

The situation for the working poor (and now for the middle classes) has worsened because jobs were lost to lower cost economies and to technology. Governments are not entirely to blame for this (even though I think that the idea that the UK was going to funded almost by the City was slightly off the mark and that other sectors should have been developed with as much passion and support).

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:56

Times are only artificially and ideologically right though. There are problems in the economy yes but they are at the top not the bottom and these cuts are ideological - only a certain class of people are supposed to be able to have choice and they want to limit choice for everyone else.

TheSporkforeatingkyriarchy · 28/02/2014 15:57

wordfactory - they don't need a Grand Plan. The systems that have perpetuated these issues for the elite's benefits has been going on for centuries. All they have to do is perpetuate it and use the systems already in place to convince the populace it is for the good, either their own or socially. They've done that quite well with all the scapegoating, pitting people against each other, and dehumanizing and pushing the shrinking pie mindset.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:57

I don't either.

In many ways ut falls squarely within left ideology that all women wish to work. People are only poor because they are given no choices.

If they're given free childcare they will work and thus lift themselves out of poverty.

The majority of left wing states have opperated along these lines...

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:58

It's true jobs in certain sectors were lost to abroad but the govt took no action over this. High unemployment drives wages down which is attractive under capitalism.

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:59

Work doesn't lift people out of poverty. The majority of families in poverty are families with work.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 16:01

It would have been wrong to retain jobs that were no longer economically viable. But other higher VA sectors needed to be developed beyond the City. It's all very well having the best concentration of the best financiers/lawyers/etc and all the people who feed off them but it's not enough.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 16:01

Bonsoir quite so.

And the arrival of EU migrants who could be exploited to work for low wages on zero contact hours has compounded the problems for the working poor.

Our economy no longer has anything to offer those at the bottom of the pile. It can't even prop them up any more via benefits.

The times they have already changed.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 16:04

Of course it doesn't work offred that's why Blair/Brown had to prop everyone up.

But you can't do that until the end of time!

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 16:06

word

Is it really a left ideology that all women wish to work?
Wasn't the present tax credit system founded under labour.
Whilst it allowed both parents to work with subsidised childcare, it also allowed a sahp in some cases.
I thought it to be the fairest system we have had, giving the widest choice.

Offred · 28/02/2014 16:07

I don't think blair/brown were propping up poor people as much as propping up profit makers with the tax credits system.

Surely jobs in the financial sector have proven themselves unsustainable but they have been propped up.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 16:11

Bonsoir I agree again.

The reliance on the city is just bloody daft. But it was a serious cash cow in the early Blair/Brown days so they thought it would continue.

Remeber Brown was never going allow another bust!!!! Not like those naughty nasty tories.

And where did they invest all that lovely mulah? State sector jobs!

Now who can tell me what went wrong there?

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 16:15

morethan it was an unitended consequence of giving in work benefits that some SAHPs could utilize it too.

In much the same way that helping the working poor by providing in work benefits actually props up big buisness.

Things never happen in a vacuum.

When you try to run a hybrid system of using capitalism to support socialist aims you will never be trully in control of the outcomes of the market.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 16:17

In work benefits are a lousy idea.

A high threshold before income tax kicks in and extremely low rates of taxation in the lowest tranches is a better way of achieving similar outcomes.

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 16:25

More flexible working is the answer imo, for both parents, then SAHM can keep one foot on the ladder, perhaps fathers reduce hours when DCs older, then both be reasonably available for work when the DCs leave home/ go to school/ go to secondary school. This should just be the norm. Society and workplaces should adapt to it.

We are still thinking of working life being 30 years, so, say 15 years off for childrearing, would be half of your working life, so really not possible to keep your career up but now working life is 40/50 years, and may rise. It is imperative then that people maintain existing or develop new skills.

I don't know anyone who was a 15 year SAHM, I know many who were SAHM then went back to work or studied when DCs started school but that was when uni was free. There was more opportunity.

So now there is less opportunity it is more important to keep up what you already have. Anyone who wants to be a permanent SAH person can be by all means if they can afford to but ime no one I know did so the norm is to want to work so that should be supported by the Gov.

If it was given proper support and backing and that taking time off for home care (elderly relatives/DCs) seen as normal (everyone has parents and unless disaster strikes they will age) for both sexes - and also acknowledge that this is just a period in the workers lives and will last limited time until they will again have no major demands outside work, we would all be happier.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 17:27

word

I think I understand now, here was me thinking Labour were great to us sahp's Grin