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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 15:01

Maggie

I don't think any woman should be encouraged into work when she has had children. Supported if this is her decision but not considered as the norm.
This is exactly where we are now, except the encouragement has gone much further and is compulsory.
No, everybody wouldn't want to benefit from a capitalist society.
Finally, if your children attend nurseries at whatever age or irrelevant of your income they are institutionalised, that's what they are, no judgement there. It is not only there for those at the bottom of the pile.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 15:04

i believe that just 2% of single parents are teenagers.

average age is 38.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 15:06

impty do you see then that the real target of attitude change to sahp and increasing hours of school etc is single parents?

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:11

morethanpotatoprints - society cannot afford long term to support mothers who don't work and have no alternative form of financial support (a husband, an ex-husband, maintenance payments, a trust fund, investments or whatever else). There are many reasons why the current situation has become politically unpalatable.

While I am no fan at all of long days for children in wraparound care, and I know that many people who use such childcare don't like it, I'm not sure that it isn't better to have a mother who goes to work as a manicurist in a nice salon and talks to customers and gets ideas about the world than one who sits at home doing very little, with her child doing very little, because she has no money (just to take an example of someone I spoke to very recently).

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 15:18

impty do you see then that the real target of attitude change to sahp and increasing hours of school etc is single parents

But what is the answer to this? Is the Gov deliberately trying to ruin the lives of single parent families? Which is what some posters seem to imply. I would think it is more a money saving idea. Or an attempt to force fathers to pay more.

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:22

The research says that children don't need to start formal education until they are 7, that's why many countries don't start a formal education until that age and why early years curriculum is based on play.

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:23

I think it is very simply, as I said, that they want all labour to be contributed to the making of profit and not to be contributed to private households.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:25

Offred - very few countries "do not start formal education until 7". What people fail to grasp is that countries have radically different curricula and learning paths from one another - the dichotomy between informal and formal education is a false one.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:26

However, I agree that governments want all labour to be declared and taxable. They cannot get their greasy mitts on domestic labour provided for free by family members!

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 15:27

Bonsoir

I believe society can afford to support mothers who don't work tbh. We are just told by a government that we can't.
No doubt society can't afford the tax fiddles from the large corporates but government turn a blind eye to this and other issues.

I do think you have a point about the manicurist example you give, but then I only agree if it is by choice and not compulsion.

I believe the government are trying their best to conquer and divide and they are succeeding. There is something wrong with a society that believes everybody should work, even when it isn't in the interest of the family or financially viable for that person.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:30

Hmm. It's not PC to say so, but all SAHM are not equal in what they can provide for their DC. If you have no money at all and little education, your DC are probably better off spending their early days in an institutional setting where there are (relatively) more interesting things to do with other people than spending it at home.

However, if you have plenty of money and lots of education and you enjoy spending time with your DC and opening their eyes to the world, then your DC would not be (relatively) better off cooped up in an institutional setting.

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:34

That's not strictly what the research says actually bonsoir. It says children are almost always better off in a home style environment with a parent, nanny, au pair, childminder etc than in an institution. Institutions only benefit children who are being abused/neglected and that isn't necessarily related to wealth.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:35

Offred - that's not true. Children's language and motor skills can be severely adversely affected without any form of neglect or abuse in the home, merely from being in a limited environment.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:36

Blimey do people really believe that Cameron and the rest of his shower have some Grand Plan?

That they're sitting working out the best ways to punish single mothers? Or that they're devising methods to get all our DC in 24 hour child care?

I mean, c'mon. These guys are hopeless. They don't have any plan, least of all a grand one!

They're just reacting to a massive decrease in tax take and a recession. And one thing they can cut and know won't be unpopular generally is benefits for those not in work.

The working population and the retired population welcome these cuts. That's the truth of it. There is no need to divide the nation to conquer it. The majority, who work, do not wish to support those who chosoe not to, whether they have DC or not.

That's the long and short of it!

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:37

This country currently doesn't start a formal educational curriculum until year 1 IME. The focus before that is on play and whilst I think there are benefits to 15 hours a week preschool from 3 in order to emotionally adjust to school and full time school from 4/5 in order to emotionally adjust to formal education, I don't think children need to be starting formal style education from 2 as is currently being touted.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:38

wordfactory - you are sweetly naïve (not something I would usually accuse you of). Cameron et al are not alone - all Western European governments are up to the same tricks and, you know what - they do talk to one another Grin and use the same bleeding consultancies!

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:38

merely from being in a limited environment.

That is neglect when it is severe enough to affect development isn't it and it isn't necessarily because of poverty.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:39

No one has to place their DC in any institution. They don't have to go to school at 2, 3, 5 or indeed ever!

This governemnt for all its faults is committed to the freedom to chose how to educate our own DC. Unlike Ed Balls who tried to remove the right...but failed !

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 15:39

Blame McKinsey

Offred · 28/02/2014 15:41

This governemnt for all its faults is committed to the freedom to chose how to educate our own DC.

That isn't the effect of the policies. It's the spin about the effect of the policies.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:42

Bonsoir I'm sure they do and they consider it A Good Idea to have as many people working as they can...but this shower don't seem to have any proper ideology as to why that would be or how they could do it.

At least you know where you are with the left. You might not agree with them, but they're consistent.

morethanpotatoprints · 28/02/2014 15:42

Bonsoir.

I'm sorry but I have to disagree with you.
Until my dc were well into their school years I had very little education and we were very poor.
I prepared 2 children to start school with no help from anybody or any institution.
I later became qualified to PG level, but had nothing in their early days.
My children would never have been better off in an educational institution, as you know at this time I also include school.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 15:42

if they wanted fathers to pay more they'd do something to address that. in reality they are charging for the use of the csa and taking a cut from mothers of any money they collect. if they wanted fathers to pay more they'd make it a legal requirement to pay and attach deductions to earnings. it isn't that. and yes i do believe they are deliberately aiming to make life more difficult for single parents - it is called social engineering and it is governing by ideology rather than economics or representation.

cutting funding for shelters and legal aid is also a part of this.

as is workfare policy, changing the age of child at which women must be in work, cutting ctc and wtc and childcare element and deciding the cut off for child benefit will be based on 'one' earner being a hrt payer rather than using household income as the cut off point.

do you really not see how strategically this government has been targeting single parents? regardless of whether they are working, not working, high earners, low earners they are being attacked. so clearly this is ideological not economic.

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 15:43

The working population and the retired population welcome these cuts. That's the truth of it. There is no need to divide the nation to conquer it. The majority, who work, do not wish to support those who chosoe not to, whether they have DC or not

And, in the future, those with DCs will no longer have them to care for as they will be adults, and then at some point after that they will live on pensions so be supporting the Gov of that time who reduces benefits to the non-working. So it all balances out in the end Grin

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 15:44

offred I think the idea that you may do as you choose with your DC, but that you must fund it is pretty well established on the right.