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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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ovaryandout · 28/02/2014 11:34

Traditionally women have had to fight harder to do and be accepted in the role they want to take, fight for a vote, fight to go to work and now it seems to stay at home. I'm not sure our male counterparts have been prevented in many things they want to do.

Women in general i think are more judged for the decisions they take in life, we are lucky due to feminism we now have more choices to take. The life of a 'stay at home' Dad however is still a relatively new one and more difficult to take than the 'stay at home' mum.

Men fighting for equal paternal rights in the workplace and the home I would really like to see. The day when we can all equally be accepted for who we are and what we do will be a very happy place to be.

I feel the term 'stay at home' does no one any favours. It implies we stay indoors all day somehow with nothing to do. To lighten the mood any ideas for a better title?

CathMGreen · 28/02/2014 11:37

The reason is simple, the state wants everyone out working, so that the state can then educate and 'bond' with your children. If you are staying at home and bringing up YOUR children, there might be a possibility that that child may turn out not to want to be the next generation of worker ants or slave to the system. Your parents might bring you up free thinking and 'unique', something which the school system and outside carers are less likely to do.

The so called 'stigma' is because those around you have brought into this state form of 'brainwashing'. You are not taught that staying at home and bringing up YOUR child is YOUR responsibility, YOUR responsibility is to go go out to work, so that strangers can bring up your child and then then hopefully that child will not be close to the family unit and the state will then have more control....and so the cycle continues.

YOU bringing up YOUR children is way it should be, surely? Why have children otherwise? Oh, and as for sending your children to state run slave indoctrination prisions, aka SCHOOL, how about people being encouraged to 'hOme school', or even...'UN school', for, don't you have a right to educate and bring up your children the way you see fit? Better stop here, that is another WHOLE big subject!!

Offred · 28/02/2014 11:55

ovaryandout - completely agree. Gender roles are bad for both genders but I think whilst also having their roles proscribed the particular roles men have traditionally been put in have been ones of power (whether domestically or in wider society) which compensates a little more. Men's roles are often determined by the economy and women's in turn by men. Women are therefore observably further down the pecking order by pure accident of the physical effects of pregnancy, birth and breastfeeding.

I think the reasons we liguistically determine between SAHP and WOHP are partially related to the fact that caring work is not seen as work and is not seen as of value. This is reflected in the large swathes of care providers who are under paid as well as those who are not paid at all. Women are meant to strive towards WOH, building in the fundamental acceptance that they should begin from a position of SAH. The flip side is there is also a prejudice that WOHM particularly are not seen as 'proper' mothers which reflects the social pressure for women to remain under the control of men.

The struggle is not just one about choice but one about status. It is the traditional fight for equality of status with men which underpins it all. The fight for economic security for people generally is also important but within it is the fight for the valuing of women. Not necessarily for 'women's work' to be valued but for it to not be seen as 'women's work' by it being recognised economically and socially as valuable IYSWIM? Why would men concede to accepting a role which is considered of lower status when they have the opportunities to not do that?

If the answer to the question 'what do you do?' was validly able to be answered by 'I'm a childcare provider' whether you worked with your own children or other peoples (and really how real is the distinction economically or socially there) or something similar, we might not invest so much in our status as either SAHP/WOHP whatever gender we happened to be. The way you make the role valuable is by valuing it, economically and socially, and we are far, far away from that as a society. It affects women more than men because of the fundamental belief that women are lesser than men which is based on a society that values money and men's expected roles within that structure.

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:01

Also agree with you cath. State childcare places from earlier and earlier ages are partly designed to build in fear of disobedience from an earlier age. No coincidence that they are trying to implement institutionalisation during the crucial developmental period between birth and 3 now or that despite evidence it is not beneficial they are trying to implement constant assessment and streaming at ever earlier ages within education institutions.

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:05

and under funding of educational institutions is because it results in harsher discipline and less education because teachers have to struggle more to control the class in an environment which is not conducive to gaining knowledge. Much about the education system exposes that the real motivation is to teach children to do what they are told, not to learn.

MillyONaire · 28/02/2014 12:13

I have been a sahm for 11 years. I now need (financially) to get back to work and am finding it very difficult. My cv is not lacking (I did voluntary work, educational courses and worked in our own business while being at home) but where I live there is a lot of support for unemployed and Jobseekers - I qualify as neither and as my husband is self-employed I cannot register for any back to work schemes. I have never felt so invisible or that I made such a bad decision to stay at home with my children. Never mind that my husband worked 7 days a week and long hours to establish his business - which he could do without guilt or pressure as I was at home and available to help out when needed and it seemed a sensible decision when my financial contribution was not essential to our household.
My friend with a burgeoning career has had her first baby recently. She has gone back to work but is questioning whether this is the sensible option with regard to her earnings v the cost of childcare. I find myself staunchly encouraging her to stay at work - for her own sake and for the example she is setting her child. 11 years ago, this was not my thinking; my experience has changed it. I can console myself somewhat that my children have benefitted by my being available to them constantly but a good childminder might have done as good a job.
It is a shame that there is not a more structured system to support mothers to stay at home and then go back to work and of course it's a shame that women will turn on each other in terms of the sahm v working mother debate but we do it on so many other issues too.
I will be encouraging my daughter to keep working when she comes to have a family; When it comes down to financial benefit against emotional benefit the one which is quantifiable will win.

bordellosboheme · 28/02/2014 12:27

Fantastically written. Thank you Smile

OTheHugeManatee · 28/02/2014 12:38

Regarding a point made upthread about the choice (or lack of choice) to be a SAHP, I think it's easy but perhaps misguided to blame state policies.

An unintended consequence of the feminist drive for equality in the workplace is that, as more and more women have worked, the country's economy has adjusted accordingly. More double-income families means more money to spend, which in turn means rising prices (housing, food, clothing etc but especially housing). The result has been that increasingly for ordinary families both parents need to work in order to get by. Whereas (for the middle classes at least) a second income might have been a luxury in the 1950s and families got by comfortably on one wage, nowadays raising a family on a single income is a struggle for all but the highest-paid. And that's partly due to adjustments in the economy driven by more women entering work.

This isn't to say women entering work is a bad thing. Personally I have no desire to be a SAHP (though of course I respect others' decision to do so) and am very grateful for my feminist predecessors' efforts. But I'm also aware that calling anyone's decision to work/sahp/whatever a 'choice' glosses over the fact that for many there isn't much choice involved. The ever-increasing prevalence of double-income households has created an economy where many single-income households simply can't earn enough to keep up.

Blaming this on the government is mistaken, in my view; arguing that the objective is to institutionalise children from as young an age as possible in order to create a compliant new generation of capitalist drones is, frankly, a bit bonkers. More likely is that the government wants to encourage more people into two-income households because, given the current economic structure, they are less likely to need to prop double-income houses up with tax credits and other forms of support.

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:41

More likely is that the government wants to encourage more people into two-income households because, given the current economic structure, they are less likely to need to prop double-income houses up with tax credits and other forms of support.

But that is not true. Vast majority of households get tax credits. If both parents are working (whether in one household or not) they are also likely to be claiming for childcare which makes the cost to the state greater.

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:43

What would avoid tax credit payments and low wages are changes to the economic structure which can only be made by the govt so I don't see how you could say the state is nothing to do with that.

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:48

I mean profit making companies are not going to decide to become not for profits off their own backs are they? Capitalists are not just going to decide to hand the money they make from the economy (and therefore steal from the state as a whole) back to the people in whatever way they might... It is the govt who have the power to actually change the structure of the economy. People may have limited power to change the structure of the workforce but the economy doesn't have to adapt to this, which is what we're seeing since women began entering paid employment en masse.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 12:50

No,the state shouldn't be supporting solvent women to be unwaged at home watching own kids
There are enough statutory demands,health,social care,police,to be met
If solvent woman chose dependence on waged partner,she doesn't need a state support system

Offred · 28/02/2014 12:51

Scottishmummy - why?

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 12:56

Because if you're solvent,have no health or social needs and are simply solvent housewife yiu don't need help
If you have a health and/physical need then that is assessed and provision made
Solvent housewife with dp working isn't in need of a support system as was suggested

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:01

Well I got that part. What you appeared to be making was an 'we spend enough on the plebs already' argument.

But I'm particularly interested in the idea that you don't think SAHPs have social needs.

Surely the answer to that is obvious - people (mainly women) doing unpaid work in the home need the protection of the state from exploitation, same as any other person doing any other work.

Do people who are 'choosing' paid to do childcare in a workplace not have social needs either or is it just because one is regulated and paid and the other is domestic work? Why apply different standards? Is it because you think there is a difference in the status of the workers? Maybe you wouldn't even call one a worker at all?

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:02

and that is even avoiding the tricky question of choice and what that means.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 13:04

Childcare workers are employed,they have DBS checks,expected level competency
Watching your own kids isn't a job,it's unregulated,not subject to external regulation
I haven't called anyone plebs so don't erroneously paraphrase me. Housewife isn't a job it's not comparable to childcare

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 13:08

Health and social care needs are assessed,and provision made by public sector
The state offers individuals protection from exploitation in legislation,and in services provided
Housewives are subject to the legal protection,they're not a disqualified group

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:10

Housewife isn't a job no, but the word I used was work.

Raising your own children is regulated and supervised, you can have conditions imposed on you and ultimately lose care of your children if you fail to provide them with satisfactory care. You have to meet certain state requirements like complying with laws surrounding education and you care is monitored by health services and social services.

It's for the same reason childcare workers are scrutinised and monitored. There is less regulation of private childcare because it is assumed people who love the children will provide better care and because the state considers itself to have less jurisdiction over private homes. There are still monitoring, standards to meet etc

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:11

better care without supervision that is

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 13:13

No,raising your own kids isn't routinely scrutinised or inspected.external childcare is
A childcare worker had a job description,expected competences.housewife doesn't
You don't need DBS to work with your own kids.you need to work with children externally

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:13

housewives don't have legal protection regarding their work. Married women have some financial and so do parents but this is dependent on having access to money to pay for court claims.

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:15

you think raising children is not routinely scrutinised? Have you not heard of health visitors, schools, school nurses etc?

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 13:15

Housewives don't work they have no employment right as they're not employed
If housewife informed police/statutory service she was being abused,exploited that'd be investigated

Offred · 28/02/2014 13:18

It wouldn't though because abuse is not illegal. Women can leave abusive relationships but there's no legal protection from abuse unless the abuse happens to be a crime or unless the woman is married and therefore entitled to make a financial claim for support. The woman who is prevented from WOH has no protection or right to support.