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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 07:48

I appreciate this is your subjective opinion,but I'm really uncomfortable with your cliche by number generalisations. Didn't have To go far before guilt, resentment why isn't housewife valued,etc. Your use of pejorative terms such as institutionalised childcare is erroneous and makes clear an underlying prejudice you have?do you think childcare is filled with whey faced children in austere institutionalised care?the obvious inference is but of course your children are free of institutionalised childcare constraints...

Essentially,you chose to enact a stereotypical housewife role and are now ambivalent?you're enacting the patriarchy by being the carer,mother whilst your husband has an unencumbered career. Yes Your proposed solutions are flawed simple, based onenabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away. Flawed as you still depend upon the model of waged (male) adult to maintain your lifestyle.

This isn't about feminism or society it's about you trying to make peace with your lifestyle choice. Slipping into inevitable cliches of institutionalised childcare To justify why you chose to be housewife

Do wbat you want,what you're comfortable with,but be honest with yourself. This isn't a searing précis of what next for feminism it's you justifying your lifestyle choice. And you giving up a well paid career to become dependent upon your partner is a lifestyle choice

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 07:59

"Your use of pejorative terms such as institutionalised childcare is erroneous and makes clear an underlying prejudice you have."

I would argue the contrary: institutionalised childcare is a descriptor, not a value judgement. If you don't like it you are revealing your own ambiguity about the form of childcare you are purchasing for your child.

Offred · 28/02/2014 08:09

Agree with bonsoir (unusually), the govt are trying to institutionalise the care of our children. It is simply a description of what is happening.

Newpencilcase · 28/02/2014 08:32

Scottishmummy, I am not a housewife, and nowhere did I say that I was.

Of course the article is about me making peace with my own choices - that's kind if the point of it!

My point about institutionalising childcare refers to proposals to lengthen school days & shorten holidays. It claims to be 'family friendly' but actually it is merely to appease businesses who will no longer have to negotiate flexible requests as 'the kids can just stay at school'

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 08:37

missing the real point again i'm afraid - it's real purpose is to ensure single mothers have no reason whatsoever not to be able to be sent on whatever workfare the govt chooses to send them on.

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 08:38

and the lower they bring the age for 'free childcare' the sooner they'll demand mothers go out on that workfare.

impty · 28/02/2014 08:38

I think the ambivalence is caused by the fact having a sahp is simply not a choice many families can make any more.

When I had my first child 17 years ago, the people in my local community did usually give up work to look after pre school children as childcare costs out weighed potential earning (pre child tax credit days etc). Many parents were on some kind of benefits.

We moved to a more affluent area after a few years. Here most in most households both parents worked, in order to pay the mortgage, and live a decent lifestyle. Not affluent by any means. It was an area where house prices and wages reflect UK averages. So in a sweeping generalisation I would assume this area reflected the majority of people in the UK.

Currently, we live in an affluent area. The vast majority have a sahm (although not all), who also have 'help' in the form of cleaner's, gardeners. The mothers who do work tend to have Nannies.

So depending where you are on the social scale, I suspect that the vast majority of the UK sees the sahp as either being poor/uneducated/not working through laziness or as being rich/privileged/ entitled. It's no wonder that the sahm has to forever justify themselves. Especially if they fall in neither of those camps.

Alongside this childcare provision has increased, allowing and encouraging those who wish to to work. I have no problem with this. I don't know whether this is beneficial or detrimental to our children. But in all honesty, it's really not something most parents can dwell on too deeply. There isn't an alternative but to work.

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 08:42

impty - are you suggesting that the current lack of choice as to whether a family has a SAHM is an unpleasant fact of life and that it is therefore not worth analysing? Shock

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 08:45

she didn't seem to say that at all - it seemed she was saying given most people don't have the luxury to view this as a 'choice' but are forced into one or the other by their socio-economic position then of course they are 'ambivalent' about it and don't spend that much time pondering the 'choices' of those in the privileged position of having them because they're rather busy getting on with what they have to do.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 08:55

If you're housewife,yes your economically inactive.given you don't work,no salary
Can't see why stating the obvious causes consternation?its not a job,it's not ardest job in world
I simply cannot get het up about navel gazing about why op gave up work. It's peppered with angsty cliches,notion of guilt and the obligatory mention of institutionalised childcare

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 09:09

A salary is not a pre-requisite for being economically active.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 09:15

No it's not Bonsoir but for the vast majoirty of people that's what it involves.

Just as the vast majority of people use child minders and grand parents for child care in the UK (so no instutionlised child care).

So...as a topic for feminism it is low priority for most women.

impty · 28/02/2014 09:25

Bonsoir not at all. The sahp/ wahm debate always draws huge response on MN and absolutely is a debate worth having!

But I do think the ambivalence comes from it just not being a realistic choice for many families. Whether you should be able to choose this, whether it's beneficial to choose this, whether this option should be shut down, is part of the debate.

scottishmummy My children are at school, now, and I don't work. You choose to label me as a 'housewife'. That's fine. I am comfortable with my choices.

scottishmummy · 28/02/2014 09:27

Domestic or personal services provided by unpaid household members for final consumption within the same household are excluded from the economic production boundary and hence are not considered to be economic activities UN definition

Spending your partner salary is being a consumer

Choosing to not work to raise your own family,is a legitimate personal choice. It doesn't require a state recognition or intervention as it's an essentially private individual act. Don't seek external approbation it's unlikely to be forthcoming

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 09:31

scottishmummy - I think you need to be careful before trying to teach economics. I doubt you have ever done a lesson on the subject in your life. If you have, forgive me - but your teacher was terrible!

anklebitersmum · 28/02/2014 09:39

I think that the ambivalence comes from housewives/SAHM's still being portayed in the wider media as something that harks back to a 'golden age' of tartan dressing gowns, pipes, slippers and detached houses with nice tidy gardens.

Choosing to not work to raise your own family,is a legitimate personal choice. It doesn't require a state recognition or intervention as it's an essentially private individual act.

You're absolutely right. So why are they interfering? other than the obvious figure fudging benefits

TheHoneyBadger · 28/02/2014 09:43

so that they can eradicate single mothers right to spend any time at all with their children and can have zero justification for not being free labour for their pals via workfare.

that is why they are interfering.

anklebitersmum · 28/02/2014 09:50

HoneyBadger that was kind of my point. It's institutional bullying, and from people who have no idea what it's like to live in the 'real world'.

I think we're very much on the same side of the fence here Grin

Offred · 28/02/2014 09:52

Domestic or personal services provided by unpaid household members for final consumption within the same household are excluded from the economic production boundary and hence are not considered to be economic activities - isn't that the point? It clearly contributes to the economy but is not being considered an economic activity which is the source of the discrimination against all people doing unpaid caring work within the home for children or adults who need care.

As a SAHP I volunteer with CAB and for the NHS as well as studying for a degree and looking after the children and housework. What you're really doing as a SAHP is unpaid work because if you didn't do it you would have to pay someone else to do it. It isn't that it has no economic value therefore, it's that the economy doesn't treat the people who do it as valuable.

Offred · 28/02/2014 09:55

They are doing it because parents doing work in the home aren't being exploited for the benefit of profit making companies, who all the mp's have interests in either pecuniary or non-pecuniary. They are working in unpaid positions for benefits to their individual households and the govt would prefer they be forced into the workplace where they can contribute their labour to making a profit for capitalists.

wordfactory · 28/02/2014 11:04

I suspect this government don't give a monkey's left gonad if a parent doesn't work, in many ways it helps the unemployment figures.

But they're no longer prepared to pay people to do it...there is quite simply, no public appetite to continue funding it.

So no one is going to force women like the guest blogger into employment. She'll carry on as she is, occasionally forgetting how lucky she is and moaning about how she isn't valued Wink...

But parents who can't afford to stay at home without benefits will be buggered.

Offred · 28/02/2014 11:14

It might help the unemployment figures but you fail to consider that under a capitalist system people are a resource to be exploited for profit just like anything else.

That's why wages are low, that's why more and more people; the unemployed, SAHP returning to work, young people, older people, are being expected to provide free labour.

It isn't that the majority of these people are not doing work, it is more often that they aren't doing work that contributes to the profits of big business who have infiltrated govt, also making it hard for small businesses to survive as well as individuals. It isn't logically consistent with a capitalist government to say they don't care what type of work people do.

Offred · 28/02/2014 11:16

Most people coming into the paid economy now have to work for free in order to earn paid work. When they get paid work, the very essence of the economy is that they see less and less of the products of their labour.

Offred · 28/02/2014 11:20

The rhetoric and much of the policy is simply around preventing people being able to challenge this because they live in fear of disrupting their children, losing their homes and their jobs and being left without support from the welfare state. Lots of the changes to the welfare state have not been in order to save money or target the needy better. Evidence shows means testing is more expensive and less efficient, that's why despite constant undermining for decades the NHS is still so popular and efficient comparable to the rest of the world. It's the last bastion of the original approach to the welfare state - improving the health and security of individuals in order to create a healthy, efficient and productive economy.

Offred · 28/02/2014 11:22

Capitalism isn't much concerned with efficiency, it's concerned with profit and private wealth and therefore does not require a healthy and secure workforce and in actual fact can benefit from poor health and insecurity because it is the people being exploited who have to pay for their own exploitation by and large.