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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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anklebitersmum · 27/02/2014 16:25

I am a daughter or sister by birth. I am a mother by choice.

I had a 'thriving career' and then we had our children. I chose to stay at home and look after them rather than pay someone else to.

That's not a snide, I'm not being a 'mummy with a capital M' it's just a fact. That's what I chose.

Trouble is, while we're all busy pointing the poisonous finger at each other, defending our own way of life and in a lot of cases being professionally offended the rights of our daughters to make that choice for themselves are quietly being stolen.

TheFowlAndThePussycat · 27/02/2014 16:46

You chose to become a mother - you can't change your mind now you are one! It is not career choice.

It absolutely is snide to say that you look after your children and WOHM 'pay someone else to do it'. Unless you simply mean that you chose childcare for your children as your new job - but somehow I don't think that is what people do mean when they say that.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/02/2014 16:52

the right has already been taken away ankle and not just for our daughters.

if your husband walks out on you and the kids tomorrow you will have to get a job as soon as your child is 5. just a few years ago it was 12 and there was some discussion about whether to bring it down 'a bit' now it's 5. they have already decided that children having a mother at home is unnecessary.

i sometimes think that married women don't realise they're one affair or bereavement away from being single mothers - just look at the relationship threads.

married sahms should be fully aware of and prepared for the fact that their 'choice' is entirely contingent on their husband not fucking off but the state has already said that choice is not legitimate. they dropped from 12 to 5 - what do you want to guess the age will be by the time our daughters that you mention get there?

TheFowlAndThePussycat · 27/02/2014 16:56

HoneyBadger I do realise that many people don't have jobs that they enjoy or that they would class as a 'thriving career'. Society/government/employers could and should do a lot more to change this. Equally if you and your partner agree that you want to have no out of home work at all then that is a legitimate choice.

I feel that we have almost gone too far the other way now though, where we angst so much about it not being possible to 'have it all' that we almost start to think that it is not desirable to strive for that, or that it is not even possible to have a 'nice bit of most things' Grin

I think this is what is robbing our daughters of choices - the impression that they get that they must make one choice rather than having a series of compatible options.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/02/2014 17:06

i think the fowl that you are blissfully unaware of socio-economic reality for the vast majority of people in this country. the idea that our daughters future lives are determined by choicy choiciness and thinking positively is a bit.... well.... obviously a view that i don't think applies for the vast majority of people.

TheFowlAndThePussycat · 27/02/2014 17:53

I'm not unaware (blissfully or otherwise - how I do enjoy being patronised on mumsnet) of the socioeconomic reality. My original point was addressing two points in the original blog about choices the author made - it seems fairly clear that her economic position allowed her to make the choice to become a SAHM.

Despite your assertions that is a choice that is open to many other women and it was that aspect of the debate I was addressing.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/02/2014 18:45

I feel that we have almost gone too far the other way now though, where we angst so much about it not being possible to 'have it all' that we almost start to think that it is not desirable to strive for that, or that it is not even possible to have a 'nice bit of most things' grin

^^that's what i was referring to - which you addressed to me. the grin seems to add insult to injury.

having it all is not really what most people are angsting about.

TheHoneyBadger · 27/02/2014 18:47

would love to see how the mum being sent on workfare because she couldn't find a job instantly in a recession when her child turned 5 is meant to have a nice bit of most things let alone grin about it.

should she just think more positively and make better choices?

anklebitersmum · 27/02/2014 19:12

TheHoneyBadger she should have known better than to trust that feckless husband or partner that left her in the financial poo. Wink

I'm not unaware of the fact that marriages break up far from it and I have no doubt that I could get 'a job' tomorrow (ish) and probably have something more suitable lined up within a few months if necessary.

The old 'if hubby leaves you're screwed' argument for not being a SAHM isn't really much of an argument in my book. There are an awful lot of WOHM's who'd be equally screwed, truth be told.

To be clear, TheFowlAndThePussyCat what I said is absolutely what I meant. I chose not to go back to work and instead stayed at home with my children. Had I gone back to work I would have had to pay someone to look after them. I could have easily done so but I chose not to. No snide. hence I said no snide. Grin

I genuinely think that we're all whacking each other about the head with our oars moaning about whose boat is better while the crocodiles are sneaking up behind us just waiting for someone to fall in.

LaLay · 27/02/2014 19:23

I spend quite a lot of time thinking that this whole thing aught really to be turned on its head.

Rather than 'what's best for a mother or parent or what's best for the government' aught really to be 'what's best for the child/ren'.

Government needs to stop putting 'childcare' at the forefront of this debate and start putting 'children' there instead.

lainiekazan · 27/02/2014 19:35

Interestingly I have noticed that increasingly in surveys - and last night in a telephone conversation with an insurance salesman - I am classed as "economically inactive". There is no box for "housewife" "SAHM" "household duties" or whatever term someone chooses to use for looking after children/home.

I'm not quite sure what I think about being "economically inactive". Actually I think I might quite like it. Makes me feel like a young slacker sticking up two fingers at the system, rather than a middle-aged woman spending rather too much time MNetting...

bomboncito · 27/02/2014 19:53

I sooo agree with newpencilcase on the 'career break' stigma. That would solve part of the problem and people (both men and women) would be able to press/impress the career accelerator according to their priorities at the time. I think it all boils down to 'unconscious bias' and we are ALL guilty. That's why women blame men, working blame non working...and viceversa. If we were all to just let everyone be and live with their choices we would all be happier. As another post suggests...it is human nature and yes difficult to change but then why don't we just start with ourselves - be happy with your own choices and leave the rest with theirs!

TheHoneyBadger · 27/02/2014 19:55

ankle i didn't mean it as an argument against staying at home - i meant it as a call for married women not to see single mothers as 'other' and think the political changes being made don't concern them.

nothing against sahms. i stayed home till my son was at school and would love to be at home now and am trying to find a way to earn a living from home.

Lanabelle · 27/02/2014 20:19

Way way way blown out of proportion. Correct when stating that some mothers are forced to stay at home due to childcare costs etc when they would like to work and others would like to stay at home when financial issues force then to work but as a stay at home mother (and fortunate enough to have been able to make that choice for myself) I can honestly say I don't give two hoots how I am perceived by society or portrayed in the media. My child is happy that I am at home, my husband is glad to have clean clothes and hot food on the table and not to have to learn how to work the iron. There have been some sacrifices to be made, we haven't had an 'abroad' holiday in 3 years but we still manage a holiday camping or caravanning, we don't have a TVs or games consoles or smart phones in every room but we have one that is shared. This is our choice and we get by, am I less happy now because I left my job when I had my baby or feel I don't have it all? no. Do I give a seconds thought to what anyone else thinks of my lifestyle? certainly not. Would people be better off if they jus got on with it instead of worrying about the perception the world outside has of them? absolutely.

Offred · 27/02/2014 20:24

Thanks for this really thoughtful blogpost. I do agree it is an issue facing parents rather than mothers though. It was just what I needed to read just now!

Mrsfrumble · 27/02/2014 20:25

TheFowlAndThePussycat, I'm absolutely not looking to get into any sort of argument over it, but I'm genuinely interested as to why you think that a SAHM saying that she looks after her own children while a WOHM pays someone else to is snide?

I went back to work when my son was a year old, and I payed our lovely child minder to give him his breakfast and lunch, change his nappy, read to him and take him to the park between the hours of 8.30 and 5.30. I would have said she was "looking after him for me". That's just a statement of fact rather than a judgement, surely?

Shrinkgrowskids · 27/02/2014 21:22

I agree with many points in the blog, e.g. Parenting is under rated and the government's solution of extensive child care is unhelpful. I don't think comparing the different roles of women is at all helpful though, I think that men need to wake up to their parenting responsibilities. I am a child psychiatrist and there are many children who would have benefited from having engaged input from fathers. Parenting is about parents, not just mothers and given that women have now proved their competence in the work place (at age 29 women's pay is equal to men's, but it declines thereafter, as women drop out due to motherhood), it is about time they insisted that men pull their weight in the home. There is no scientific evidence that women are biologically predisposed to be better parents beyond breast feeding. Even if there was evidence that mothers were better at "nurturing" children, (which there isn't) 90% of what I do as a mother (making packed lunches, changing nappies, laundry, laundry, taking to ballet, making costumes, cooking, feeding, laundry, ironing name tags, laundry etc) is clearly gender non-specific. Indeed most paid chauffeurs, chefs, sewage workers are male! If men took over these tasks, there would be plenty of time to work and "mother". The reality is that it's not just the white haired man sitting across the table from us in the boardroom that is blocking the success of women, but also the greying man snoring next to us in the bedroom. Women can not win equality in the workplace without first winning equality in the home. If we can move to a society where women and men share child care and financial responsibility, I think we can move to a society where our daughters as well as sons can 'have it all'. See more on these ideas at shrinkgrowskids.com/2014/01/24/i-hate-affordable-childcare/

TeamWill · 27/02/2014 21:52

Shrink YES !!!!!!
Bloody brilliant post - you have said everything I wanted to say.
My DC have benefitted by having a loving, involved father and so have I .
I come home to hot food and clean clothes and so does my DH.
To some people this is incomprehensible - "he does what ?"

morethanpotatoprints · 27/02/2014 22:24

Lainie Grin
Fantastic post.

TheFowlAndThePussycat · 27/02/2014 22:37

HoneyBadger I don't disagree with you that many people don't have choices. However it is not a lie that you can have a job you enjoy, a happy marriage and happy kids. And I don't believe that this is an ambition that we should give up on because you 'can't have it all'. We should make damn sure that everyone who does want it can have it. By whatever economic and political means necessary.

anklebiter, I apologise if I misunderstood what you meant.

mrsfrumble it is fine to say that WOHM pay other people to provide childcare for their children for a proportion of the day. My problem is with the implication that WOHM somehow outsource the emotional development, or nurture or their children (which I accept is not what anklebiter meant). People say 'I simply couldn't hand my child over to someone else to look after' or 'I just didn't feel anyone else could give my child the upbringing that I could if I stayed at home' but it is a false dichotomy. When your DS was with his childminder you hadn't 'handed him over to someone else' to 'bring up' - you were still nurturing him and raising him.

And I totally agree with shrinkgrowskids

morethanpotatoprints · 27/02/2014 23:01

I think we got a bit prescriptive with the meaning of having it all.

Going to work is really something I don't want to do, so I don't see that raising children, career, running home is having it all.

To me having it all is being completely satisfied with your life and not wanting for anything more. Maybe this is what we should all be striving for and maybe a bit more realistic.

morethanpotatoprints · 27/02/2014 23:05

TheFowl

The emotional development, nurturing and raising my children is the reason I am a sahp.
Of course I would expect a child minder to do this in my absence, a couple of hours a day would not cut it for me.

maggiemight · 28/02/2014 00:27

The emotional development, nurturing and raising my children is the reason I am a sahp

This was my point on my post on the first page, are DCs really receiving the best upbringing with one parent, it takes a village, after all.
Is it a 1950s myth?

Bonsoir · 28/02/2014 07:32

Shrinkgrowskids - I think that the concept of equality in the home is a perfectly reasonable one but I don't agree that it hasn't been achieved. In some parts of Europe where there are bothy good state-supported childcare provision and reasonable working hours both parents do take an active and equal share in childcare in those families where both parents don't do jobs that are too demanding. If both mother and father are doing the French "35 hour week" (I live in France) fathers take an active role. The problem is that works for people who don't have too much career responsibility and, sadly, those families are not net contributors to the French economy.

Newpencilcase · 28/02/2014 07:35

I completely agree that the debate needs to focus more on fathers.

I know many children who have a SAHM but don't see their father all week as his hours are so long. It clearly works for these families but there is no argument that this setup is better than for children than one where both parents work but manage to spend family time together on week nights.

I set up my own business recently, as soon as my youngest son started school. The alternative was that DH found a higher paying, more pressured job to enable me to continue to stay at home - which neither of us wanted.