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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 12:31

re: lovely egalitarian partner does not negate patriarchal ignoring the realities of life, children, home etc work system. it doesn't undo a system that was designed for workers who had house elves at home and could therefore demand present-ee-ism (sorry no idea how to spell it) and only promote people who work 12hrs a day despite being paid for only 7 etc.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 12:31

AND just to point it out again not all mothers have partners.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 12:34

i would have though a sahp was a parent who stays at home and is present to care for their children.

whether that person also makes money or not doesn't seem a defining factor to me. unless you're seeing sahp and 'housewife' as synonymous which i don't. apart from anything else not all sahps are wives.

Bonsoir · 02/03/2014 12:37

TheHoneyBadger - for me, a SAHP is someone whose priority is taking care of their DC. Fitting work around the constraints of DC doesn't negate the fact that DC's needs are met first and foremost by the parent.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 13:00

merrymouse

I don't think there is a particular definition of a sahp tbh.
I think there are different levels of role and responsibilities in the term .

I don't woh that's the only thing I think is common to all sahps.
The level of childcare, domestic tasks, hobbies, interests, will vary greatly between different people.
I also H.educate but was a sahm for 20 years before I started H.ed and 2 of our dc completed school.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 13:28

interesting definition bonsoir. would certainly make it a much wider category.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 13:28

i is just a person. one of them there human beings.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 13:29

one of the one's with a womb that's been used and the subsequent outcome.

TeamWill · 02/03/2014 14:36

Interested in the description of SAHPs having one thing in common - not WOH.

Dh and I both WOH but also consider ourselves as SAHP on the days we are at home. Me 4 days DH 3 days.
So I SAH more than I WOH, our DC are only cared for by us and yet by the above definition Im not a SAHP at all. Confused
I think I agree that there are way more roles than SAH/WOH and certainly amongst my social circle most people do a bit of both (and enjoy both)

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 14:52

"I don't think there is a particular definition of a sahp tbh."

Completely agree.

However, my point is that the decision not to send your children to school is bigger than deciding to be a SAHP. People tend not to think "I'd rather not go back to work, my children might as well stay at home". They think "Home Ed would suit my children, how can I make that happen?" that might include one parent not earning an income.

For various reasons I have home educated, and I don't see that decision as comparable to somebody looking after pre-schoolers or somebody deciding to stay at home once their children are at school.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 14:54

"someone whose priority is taking care of their DC."

That'll be 99.9% of parents then.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 15:10

Going back to the people talked about by the OP, I think the people society is ambivalent about are non-wage earning women who don't earn a wage because they are looking after children. If men exist who do this society probably thinks they are doing it because they are unemployed or writing a book.

I don't think society is ambivalent about women who are at home educating their children (although they may have a whole world of ambivalence about home education itself) and I don't think people are ambivalent about women who work from home or work around their children. (Although they may be ambivalent about them not helping with the PTA in a way that they wouldn't be about men).

My definition of a 'Stay at home parent' is somebody with children who is at home waiting for their boiler to be repaired.

frumpypigskin · 02/03/2014 15:20

What makes me really cross is the perception that SAHM are privileged to make that choice. It's not a privilege, it's a bloody hard but worthwhile job. I left work because childcare would eat the majority of my income and with the commute I would see little of my children.

The fact that the state doesn't seem to place any value on parents that stay at home to look after their children is the problem. This is mirrored in wider society.The perception seems to be that we are all middle class mums who spend our time drinking lattes whilst our kids are in creches.

I totally agree with anklebitersmum - SAHM don't expect people or the government to cheer but we don't expect them to sneer either.

Just because we're not paying taxes it doesn't mean we're not doing a valuable job.

Chunderella · 02/03/2014 15:40

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TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 16:32

but frumpy it IS a privilege. it's not one afforded to single women or to women whose partners are on minimum wage or aren't prepared to support them. it's a privilege in that it is contingent on other factors being in place that not everyone has available to them.

that doesn't mean it isn't hard it means to be in the position to be able to do it is a privilige. to my mind if you are unemployed/can't find work you can afford to take you should call yourself and record yourself as unemployed and a job seeker. i hate that so many unemployed women get hidden under the rug in the figures by the assumption they are sahm.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 16:36

Perhaps we should just lose the term sahp the same as we did housewife. Maybe both are defunct now.

I think its a daft term anyway, as a sahm I have never really sah all day, in fact I'm mostly out.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 16:39

8HoneyBadger*

It is affordable to women whose partners are on the min wage, sorry but that's us. We have been like this for 22 years now.
I'm not saying it is possible to all on a min wage, but it is possible.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:15

do you pay rent morethan?

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:17

minimum wage would be what? £200 a week? i would struggle to pay my rent and council tax on that - i certainly couldn't feed me or my son.

scottishmummy · 02/03/2014 17:18

Perhaps mnhq can get a guest thread going about guilt free working mums,not sobbing at work
The habitual presumption of guilt is a bit of a tired cliche,and it's always maternal guilt
Work isn't necessarily a demanding grind,or a source of turmoil for parents

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:19

i presume you must be heavily subsidised then by tax credits and possibly HB. even if you own your own home outright i doubt you could cover everything including your husbands travel to and from work on £200pw.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 17:19

No rent, have paid one mortgage off and just paying second one off now.
All on one min wage though, tax credit and cb.
We started paying mortgage etc and managed before tax credits though

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:20

i don't know about way back but i haven't seen anyone talking about guilt in the last 24hrs or so scottishmummy Confused

we've been talking about pragmatics and trying to get by for the most part. oh and i've been trying to put a shout out to anyone who knows of a rich man in need of a beard.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 17:21

i guess you'd acknowledge it was a very different time then morethan. given the average house price or rental price now i cannot see how it would be viable other than at massive subsidy and zero provision for the future.

Offred · 02/03/2014 17:22

It's having a choice that's a privilege for women in reality.

Women are frequently denied a choice to work or to stay at home.

I see that as the problem. Choice should not be a privilege.