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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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georgesdino · 02/03/2014 06:52

Dh is quitting his job and doing the lot for me as Im having a 2 week maternity leave. He will get a job later on but it will be fitting around my career needs. Im looking forward to it hes going to make me tea when I come home, and do everything for the children. Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 07:00

in some ways actually being a sahm is quite pragmatic re: if we still live in a system which is patriarchal in terms of it's ignoring of domestic responsiblities and the necessity to be able to achieve a work/other work/life balance without having a house elf then the choices are do work AND all of the other stuff too (or at the least a hugely disproportional share of it as most married women still are) or just do one or the other.

just doing the paid work isn't really an option unless you have one of the very, very, very rare men willing to be the sahp and do a decent job of it OR you earn an extortionate amount of money and can employ a full staff. so really the pragmatic choice if you don't want to get lumbered with two jobs is to chose not to do paid work.

all the rhetoric about 'having it all' is such a spin job really - the actual issue is 'DOING it all'. in the face of that it's a perfectly rational choice to say i don't want to do it all. though obviously the downsides are dependency on a man and how contingent that is on his continued commitment to you and your children. then again is that really any more of a gamble than a career given the economic climate of recent decades?

i'm single so it's different but i think if i had a choice between do 90% of all household tasks and childcare management as well as work full time in a maybe shit, maybe good, probably just average job OR just do the 90% of household tasks and look after your children i can see entirely how the latter would appeal.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 07:01

see georges doesn't it sound marvelous? we all need a house elf!! (probably best not to call him that mind Wink )

georgesdino · 02/03/2014 07:04

I think there are loads of men out there like dh, but most women arent like me and wont marry lower earners.

georgesdino · 02/03/2014 07:05

I also think with both of the man and woman work it then its nothing like being at home as there is hardly any housework to do. Our place always has everything away as except for weekends it never gets messy.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 07:06

i've talked myself round to seeing being a sahm as a potentially pragmatic choice in an imperfect (re. designed for men) world. i'm ok with women making pragmatic choices to survive in such a world and i don't think them martyring themselves to paid jobs when they don't want them would achieve anything for women really because it does nothing to change the loaded system.

it isn't a choice available to me but having thought all of this through actually if i fell in love with a decent lovely man who earned a fortune and wasn't fussed about whether i did a paid job or not and didn't feel entitled for me to not work or work and didn't see money as an issue that had to be equally earned etc then actually i can't see me carrying on dragging my arse to work to be abused by teenagers when i could be out and about finding interesting things to do with my son.

georgesdino · 02/03/2014 07:12

Thats the difference I think I love being at work. I have had most of my baby years with my children who always came to work with me, and now Im off to finally live my dream of becoming a social worker and I dont care about the money (even though its very good) Im just glad Im going to fulfil all my dreams and ambitions, and have a big family.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 07:21

yes - if there was a sort of even split of people who enjoyed work and didn't mind being the breadwinner and people who weren't fussed about work and liked being at home (and if wages reflected cost of living obviously) then there wouldn't be an equality issue would there? the trouble is that that split has been artificially transposed onto gender and all of the status leans one way rather than the other too i guess.

reality also is not every parent has a partner and not every partnership contains a high earner happy to work and a not fussed about working happy to do 'home' person not to mention the power differentials that can't be ignored just because a few people manage to overcome them in their personal lives.

congrats on the new career by the way - enjoy.

LauraBridges · 02/03/2014 09:33

Yes, loads of women adore their jobs and want to carry on with them and plenty now marry men who earn more so when it comes to who gives up work it's not going to be Miss High Earner, it's going to be Mr Minimum Wage husband, if either of them has to give up work.

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 10:04

If i fell in love with a decent lovely man who earned a fortune and wasn't fussed about whether i did a paid job or not and didn't feel entitled for me to not work or work and didn't see money as an issue that had to be equally earned etc then actually i can't see me carrying on dragging my arse to work to be abused by teenagers when i could be out and about finding interesting things to do with my son

This is what it was like for me, giving up a huge income to be a sahm.
Although my dh was min wage and hasn't really increased much since.
We are happy though and money hasn't really been important to us as long as we can pay the bills.
I knew from being pg with ds1 I didn't want to continue.
I'd done the career bit and now it was time for us to raise our dc, as personally childcare was never going to be an option we'd consider.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 10:06

morethan if you hadn't have wanted to give up work would he have? given you say neither of you would countenance childcare?

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 10:08

lol i'm amused at the idea that i should now go post on match.com saying, 'wanted: wealthy, lovely, decent man who doesn't mind me not working so i can HE my son and doesn't mind that i'm also a bit shit around the house and a messy slattern who doesn't like cooking in exchange for erm... my sparkling company?'

can't see many takers Grin

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 10:08

i could be a rich man's beard!!!!

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 10:10

Maybe in 20 year's time there will be so many same sex couples with children and so many men taking advantage of their parental rights that the term 'SAHM' will be a distant memory.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 10:13

or so few jobs that 90% of the population will be unemployed anyway and the other 10% will shoot you on site regardless of your gender.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 10:13
merrymouse · 02/03/2014 10:16

I suppose if you could got around the eating other people problem, zombies might increase child care options.

georgesdino · 02/03/2014 10:19

I hope we end up with more childcare options for all. I am lucky as I live in an area with lots of childcare options, and Im a big childcare fan. Unfortunately there doesnt seem to be a wide range as here is many areas of the country which is very limiting for working couples.

We have come a long way since even a generation ago in terms of childcare, and there are some many great provisions out there that I think by the time our children are older it will be even better.

LauraBridges · 02/03/2014 10:19

(... meant more women marrying men who earn less these days (not who earn more) of course....)

morethanpotatoprints · 02/03/2014 10:59

TheHoneyBadger

He hasn't got a job really, its a profession. No he wouldn't give it up but he would never stop me from doing anything I wanted to and never has in 25 years. We would have both just worked round each other.
I won't be doing any paid work for the foreseeable future but hope to do some charity work if/when dd successfully auditions for school.
Otherwise I'll be a sahm until she's 18.

merrymouse · 02/03/2014 11:43

I'm not sure that you can really describe yourself as a SAHP if you home educate - I think that more comes under that banner of self sufficiency.

WidowWadman · 02/03/2014 12:14

"so really the pragmatic choice if you don't want to get lumbered with two jobs is to chose not to do paid work."

How about not living with lazy sexist arseholes who don't pull their weight? We need to get away from the idea that "men are just like that" - don't let your partner get away with not doing any housework instead of enabling him.

Bonsoir · 02/03/2014 12:27

merrymouse - I find that exceedingly weird. You cannot describe yourself as a SAHP unless you send your DC to school? What other limitations do you place on the term SAHP? Are SAHP not allowed to earn, for example?

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 12:28

i'm not a sahp merry - i work and home educate for now.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 12:29

widow because the world is bigger than your relationship. it isn't just personal relationships that dictate conditions but institutional ones.

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