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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

OP posts:
Offred · 01/03/2014 20:06

My point is precisely that it is work which requires focus. It is only if it isn't work that you could really and properly say you are able to do another piece of work in addition to it.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:07

not disgusting and horrible no. nice choices or choices made in bad circumstances obviously still choices and choices that don't represent the average so saying women couldn't work from home because 'i' can't (with four kids, no job and being a student) doesn't add up.

i did not in any way say you chose to be raped. i presume your twins were a result of the rape then which obviously i couldn't know. i'm sorry you're upset, i'm sorry you've had horrible stuff happen (i know about some of that stuff myself from experience) but i don't think accusing me of saying something i'm not is fair or worthy of you.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:07

and I had no option to work when I was married. My husband wouldn't allow it and I had no way to pay for childcare myself. Which is why I left.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:08

but you married him!

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:09

That would wash if I hadn't actually explained my situation on this thread Hmm

My first two were from sexual abuse and rape. I thought I'd married a man who believed in equality, we planned a baby and ended up with unexpected twins. I found out after this that he would not concede to allow me to work.

WidowWadman · 01/03/2014 20:09

Offred - to be fair reading back, she didn't say she can do everything, but that she can do easy not to taxing part time work whilst fitting her kids around.

morethanpotatoprints · 01/03/2014 20:10

Offred

My apologies, I didn't see the bit about you doing a degree, this is hard when dc are about.
I did mine when dd was a baby and the other 2 were at school.
It is hard work and you can't always manage when they are around.
Small chunks that don't take too much thinking about is all you can really manage. A dissertation is a huge battle and ime better off when they have gone to bed. I wish you well and so sorry for the comments you have received.

HoneyBadger

You are out of order to judge anybody on their choice to be a sahm and you should be ashamed, what a disgraceful thing to say. I mean this irrespective of what Offred has been through.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:11

how in any way am I to blame for that? He's responsible for his beliefs, you can't always be sure how someone thinks before they are tested by real life, he chose to sacrifice me for himself. Not my fault and I won't take the blame for it. Not all men who choose to sacrifice their wives for themselves are monsters. He's a broadly good man who couldn't see how his choices limited mine.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:11

yes widow and i said i'd find it easier to do that than have to travel to work and sort childcare etc. not 'it's easy' in a vacuum but if i have to work whilst raising a child solo this would be an easier option 'for me' and for some others.

BoffinMum · 01/03/2014 20:11

Really, keeping house requires a bit of attention but isn't particularly hard. I have four kids and a full time job with commute, and I've written the Austerity Housekeeping book and also run a blog about this for about three years now. If you approach it all reasonably scientifically and sensibly anyone should be able to run a modern home and hold down some paid work without breaking into a sweat, tbh.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:12

i don't judge people for being a sahm Confused

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:13

it is different when the kids and you are actually in the house all day though, the level of work increases.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:14

and she's not a sahm - she's a student!

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:17

I've never called myself a SAHM. Other people might have made that judgement about me based on my posts but I actually have two voluntary jobs, am doing a degree, have children in school and preschool (15 hours) and am a lone parent so therefore responsible for all the housework, school runs etc

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:19

I wouldn't feel comfortable in any particular bracket tbh. I'm doing lots of different things lots of the time. My level of focus on each is therefore something I'm quite conscious of.

BoffinMum · 01/03/2014 20:19

I think the solution is to change the long hours culture, so if people are in offices after 5.30pm for no apparent reason, they are asked if their job has got a bit too much for them and whether they can cope. At the moment the reverse seems to happen - if you don't stay late people doubt your ability to pull it out of the bag.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:21

and I'm not sure why I'm fair game for criticism for basically saying it is hard and I sometimes struggle when the two fathers of the dc don't have any of these judgements made about them or responsibilities put onto them.

morethanpotatoprints · 01/03/2014 20:22

offred

You're not kidding, this I can relate to.
There is me, dh most of the time, ds2 for half the day and dd at home.
I don't think the housework would ever be complete Grin looka like a hurricane has hit most days, not dirty just so untidy.
Books, papers, constant washing up, instruments, parts of instruments, experiments, tons of washing at various stages. One room that dh uses to teach in is spotless and the hall is tidy, everything else is carnage.

BoffinMum · 01/03/2014 21:57

Believe me, Offred, I am often quicker to judge blokes than other women. Have no doubt of that. The amount of fuss some of them make about getting tea on for a couple of kids, or hanging up a bit of washing, is just astonishing.

impty · 01/03/2014 23:15

I think the solution is to change the long hours culture

My dh was told on Friday that he was allowed to take the rest of the day off. It was 6.30pm. He'd been at work since 8 am, having flown in from 4 days in the US.

We hadn't seen him properly since the previous Sunday morning.

Do many women work alongside him? A few but not many. Fewer still are mothers.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 06:33

the rest of the day off?? oh my goodness! and you see jobs like that can only exist on the back of either on the free labour of a wife or very low paid (generally female) labour. you know how they used to want men to be married before they gave them big promotions and it was made out to be about showing they were stable etc? in reality it was about knowing they'd need a house elf who did everything else for them so there were no other demands bar work imo.

we could all manage all manner of things if we had a house elf taking care of every other detail of our life and physical comfort.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 06:34

somehow 'provide working mothers with house elves' doesn't seem a realistic solution mind Grin but in reality it was the solution for workers not so long back and it is still the solution for a lot of men.

georgesdino · 02/03/2014 06:41

There is the option of men doing everything at home, or sharing it for if women want to pursue careers.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 06:49

funnily enough not many of them are chomping at the bit for that option georges and i can't say i blame them. unpaid house-elfery isn't what many people (outside of social conditioning and necessity and maternal-type bonds) it's never been a huge lure for many.

i really wish we had changed the work system and the domestic system rather than just enter a male focussed work sphere and hope and assume that equality in the domestic sphere would magically emerge.

TheHoneyBadger · 02/03/2014 06:50

sorry i meant isn't what many people feel drawn to OR elfery has never been a great lure - think i got distracted mid sentence for a demand for toast.