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Guest post: Why is society so ambivalent about stay-at-home mums?

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KateMumsnet · 26/02/2014 11:27

Historically women (and children) have always worked. The poor would either take their children to work with them, or leave them with extended families. At the other end of the scale, rich women would leave their children in the care of a nanny while they managed household staff and organised events - long before these activities became viable career choices.

What's changed is that there is now an expectation - or illusion - of choice in the matter. When I was growing up, we had a female prime minister, and Alexis Carrington was the most famous woman on TV. We were told that we could have it all – glittering career, thriving children and a happy marriage.

It was a lie. As adults, we discover that economic necessity, the needs of children and our own aspirations all pull us in different directions. Rather than 'having it all', we choose our path and passionately defend our decisions against the different choices, opinions and expectations of others. Someone, somewhere will always disagree.

Obviously, there's a tension for those who would love to make a different choice, but can't. For some, working just isn't worth it. Salaries can't compete with the crippling cost of formal childcare, and for many of us, family aren't on hand to help. For others, rocketing property prices and rents mean that often both parents must work to afford the roof over their heads and an acceptable standard of living. With the prospect of meagre pensions, tuition fees, care homes and future property prices, there's a strong chance my children might, at 25, wish I'd traded those extra games of Scrabble for a decent deposit on a flat.

Over the past eight years I've worked part-time, freelanced, stayed at home and run my own business. I gave up my “glittering” corporate TV career and moved out of London, back to the village I grew up in, after the birth of son number 2. Not one of those solutions has been perfect, none of them have been easy and I have beaten myself up over each and every decision.

But the decision to stay at home was the one that I struggled with most. Like squabbling siblings, what I wanted for my children, my own identity and my relationship constantly clashed. Enduring stereotypes are of either the dull but worthy women, who were relieved that finally nothing more was expected of them in terms of their career - or the wealthy, well-groomed types who rule the PTA with an iron fist. The woman who actively chooses to stay at home seems to stir a wealth of confused emotions in all of us.

And as a feminist, I couldn't help feeling that I was letting the side down. By the time I had children I was successful, financially independent and viewed my marriage as a partnership of equals. The notion that I could give it all up in favour of singing ‘the wheels on the bus’ and sorting the laundry seemed extraordinary. I was uncomfortable with being financially dependent on my husband and I didn't like what it did to our relationship (there was an argument about aubergines I shan't forget). I had grown up with my mother laying out my father's clothes in the morning, but had expected something different for myself: this was not what feminism had fought for; this was not my place. How could I bring my sons up to respect women and treat them as equals if I wasn't an equal partner in my own house?

And yet, I wanted to be at home with my children. I wanted to be the one that cuddled them, read them stories and watched them grow. I wanted to make them toast when they came home from school. I felt my children needed me - and for many women, no job is more important.

And what about the state's position on all this? It seems to be ambivalent at best; fundamentally, it views you in terms of economic worth. We have an ageing population and we need people of working age to pay for them. The fact that children need nurturing, educating, and caring for is overlooked. That future generation of voters is not important right now. Politicians might pay lip service to the value of carers, but the welfare system reveals the truth – they are a burden; they've made a ‘lifestyle choice’ and they aren't ‘pulling their weight’.

The government's answer is to institutionalise childcare; to lengthen school days and cut holidays. They seem to be arguing simultaneously that looking after children is worthless, and yet too important to be left to mere parents. This benefits no one, except employers who no longer have the hassle of negotiating flexibility. It certainly doesn't benefit children or families.

The result is that we all feel confused and a little resentful. Working women will label stay at home mothers as ‘lazy’ or ‘lucky’, and stay at home mothers will accuse working mothers of being ‘selfish’. Both sides feel guilt and resentment over the choices they feel they should have had but didn't - the nagging doubt that we should be providing more, either emotionally or financially. Round and round we go, constantly striving to do better and tying ourselves up in knots.

There are simple, albeit naive, solutions. Cheaper housing and childcare would make staying at home or working a genuine choice rather than a necessity, as would a working culture that is not defined by the hours you work but by the quality of the work that you do - enabling mothers and fathers to do their bit at home and away.

Maybe this is feminism's next task: to redefine how society views the role of caring, and to challenge the notion that ‘progress’ is always moving in the same direction. A stage on from 'women competing in a man's world' would be to elevate caring to a level at which it can also be seen as successful - equal to the providing bit. Then we could, perhaps, put down our defensiveness, and acknowledge that we're all just doing our best with the circumstances we have - and that, most of the time, that's good enough.

We may never see the day when all we're competing over is who raises the most emotionally stable and contented children - but it's a nice thought.

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Offred · 01/03/2014 19:32

I work in CAB. It would not be possible for advisers or gateway assessors to have home access to petra live because of security and confidentiality issues. They are volunteers but even if they werent Petra is a national database and it contains identifying and private information which is arguably as sensitive as medical records, some of the information is stored as paperwork and they take confidentiality and security extremely seriously. They would never allow working from home. Having my Petra password and access to the database on my laptop would allow anyone who entered my home to search for people they knew and find out extremely sensitive information. It would never be possible for really good reasons.

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:33

if you are teaching your tasks all relate to your job. It is completely different when your work, which has it's own tasks, involves a completely different level and type of focus from childcare.

morethanpotatoprints · 01/03/2014 19:35

TheHoneyBadger

I see where you are coming from, it is totally possible to work whilst dc are about.
There is no reason why you couldn't work on a lap top whilst they are playing, watching tv, etc.
It might take a few minutes to settle them with something, but after that you can get on with what you want.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 19:35

so home management isn't work?

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:38

Some things I know are possible to do from home but they involve varying degrees of neglect of the children or the work IME as a child and a parent.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 19:38

the sahms don't do any 'work' other than constant attentive childcare in your opinion offred? or the work they do is what? trivial enough to be compatible? not proper work?

i think you've turned in a strange circle.

morethan yes it is doable. as it was for our hunter gatherer ancestors and as it is for every sahm out there who has to juggle childcare with the ton of other responsibilities they manage simultaneously. somehow when those responsibilities are 'paid' they become far too important and special and noble to combine with having children around. funny that.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 19:39

right so the sahm who gets on with the cleaning and bill paying and shopping is neglecting her children then offred? or somehow that stuff isn't 'work'? i'm a bit lost now.

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:40

of course home management is work but even that, because I have a lot of children, involves neglecting the dc for me. It takes me 2 hours each day to cook the evening meal for example and during that time I cannot actually stop what I'm doing and read a book or help with homework or the tea is not cooked in time for bedtime.

georgesdino · 01/03/2014 19:41

2 hours to cook the evening meal?

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:42

asking for a full day devoted to being focused on work and not on the children is too long leaving them to their own devices for me. All the washing, cooking, cleaning etc involves me often not being available for the dc and I'm not a particularly 'must always be focused on their every need parent'... There's just a lot to do. I'd have to do all that, and care for dc and manage 8 hours focused on work? I think you are mad to suggest that nothing would suffer.

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:44

yes, two hours unless I make something quick, normally because I have run out of time, like fried egg and chips or pesto pasta because I'm cooking everything from scratch for 6 (minimum) people.

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:46

(and yes I'm aware there are ways to save time but they involve spending more money, the reason I cook from scratch is because it saves money)

morethanpotatoprints · 01/03/2014 19:48

I do think that juggling several things at once isn't necessarily easy to all people though. I am dyslexic and dyspraxic and not sure if this is the reason why I struggled at first.
I used to end up in a bigger mess than when I started, with lots of jobs left unfinished. I am getting better now though.
I know some will find this daft but I also believe there are levels of jobs you can combine. Some that go well together and some that don't.
As a H.edder I have realised I can combine a couple of lessons whilst shopping, banking, visiting the library etc. Obviously, I can't wash up whilst marking maths. Grin
Cooking tea and helping with school work isn't difficult for me anymore, especially if the tea is prepped and out of the way first.
I can speak to dhs clients, keep his diary, book keeping, photo copy and file whilst dd is reading or doing some history.
There really isn't a problem.

georgesdino · 01/03/2014 19:52

We have a family of five soon but there isnt much housework to do. It takes me and dh half hr a day if that to do everything.

BoffinMum · 01/03/2014 19:53

It's easy for society to encourage women to stay out of public life and focus instead on the wellbeing of a bloke and a couple of kids. Makes life less awkward for those in authority. Much more difficult for society to facilitate the full social and democratic engagement of women in public life. Then many people in authority will have to give up their sinecures and directorships and Parliamentary seats, and ultimately their power to determine the way society is organised, not to mention their privilege.

SAHMs everywhere, I ask you, if this is your choice, make sure you busy yourselves also making sure those in authority can't be too comfortable. Participate in public life and engage democratically, perhaps through charity work (other than the PTA), or volunteering, or possibly even being a magistrate, or some other enterprise that gets you out there. Otherwise we are all doomed.

Offred · 01/03/2014 19:55

I already do juggle lots of things at once and feel I'm good at it too. I don't have to have strictly compartmentalised work tasks. I just am aware that when I have to focus on work which is not house related while my dc are around either the work suffers or the dc do because they are not compatible tasks. You have to be very focused to study law effectively. I can see why people might be able to do some work which is similar to housework/childcare and doesn't require a change of gear for the brain at home, or something that isn't particularly demanding of time or focus but this is not many types of work I think.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:00

but you've chosen to have four kids very close together and you've chosen to not work and do studies you can't afford. that clearly isn't the norm or the basis on which all women's lives should be judged.

managing one child whilst also fitting in 4 hrs of work (who said 8?) in a 24hr slot is doable. obviously if someone chooses 4 kids and a degree it's gonna be hard to manage.

WidowWadman · 01/03/2014 20:01

"so home management isn't work?"

No, it really isn't.

morethanpotatoprints · 01/03/2014 20:01

Offred

I can see where you are coming from also as another who cooks from scratch every night.
I also understand that some jobs that may seem like "just an office job" that wouldn't be allowed to be done from home, because of Data protection.
I prep as much of the meal as I can, then set dd a task or she tells me what she intends to do and we time it with the cooking of the meal. Once its in the oven or under the grill I can listen to her read, answer questions, check up what she is doing etc.
I know she is H.ed but I used to do this with her brothers and their homework. If they had no activities on homework was supervised before tea.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:02

tbh i can't think of a model that would facilitate a woman producing 4 kids in quick succession and not wanting to work but wanting to be respected and have a voice at the same time and you clearly DON'T actually think combining kids and non related 'work' is child abuse as you've chosen to study. there's tail eating going on here.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:03

if cooking dinner equates to child abuse we're all fucked.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:03

thanks for the judgement but I didn't choose to be raped or have twins... You are completely and utterly out of order.

I started the degree when I could afford it and when my marriage broke down it was not possible to transfer to another uni. Having already invested years and thousands into a law degree which would give me a decent chance of actually excaping the drudgery I have to make sacrifices to continue.

Honestly, what a disgusting and horrible thing to say.

TheHoneyBadger · 01/03/2014 20:03

WW but offred was arguing it is work earlier - hence my questions.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:04

it's not child abuse. I'm saying it diverts my focus because you are ridiculously, IMO trying to claim you can do all the things at once to the same standard that you could do them if your focus was entirely on them.

Offred · 01/03/2014 20:05

mine are too little to do unsupervised homework.