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Thank you MN Towers for this topic

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RTKangaMummy · 15/05/2006 13:57

Thank you MN towers

I know certain other posters are being really immature and silly about this topic

We will get picked on for posting on here

And certain other posters will be not be able to cope with a new topic

Why should it harm them to have this topic???

We are told off if we post in Education

My DS is SEN and GT so has different needs in both camps

For example, he is in top 2% for English in the country with a very high IQ but has dyspraxia and hypermobilty in his joints which means this week his classmates are doing cycling proficiency at school but he is unable to ride a bike well enough to be able to join in. SO he is the only one in his class not able to join in.

SO you guys can PARP and tease me all you like but I don't care.

You can just go and post somewhere else and link to newspaper articles about pushy parents all you like I don't care

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fullmoonfiend · 15/05/2006 18:15

IEP - individual education programme - schools can do one for any child who needs individual help in a particular area. The parents are consulted a couple of times a year to discuss what targets etc the child has. And nowadays, the kids are involved as well in dicussing with the SENCO what 'level' they think they are at and what level they would like to be at.

Blandmum · 15/05/2006 18:15

an Individual Education Plan.

If a child is assessed as having special educational needs they are placed on the SEN regester in the school, usualy at the School Action level at first. The IEP will identify the SEN, and list targers for the child to meet, and stratagies that the teacher will use to help the child to meet those targets. If all goes well, the SEN is resolved and the child is taken off the regester.

You can also progress to school action plus (school plus outside intevention) and full statementing.

Children who are exceptionaly able are sometimes assessed as having SEN and given an IEP.

Alternatly they may be enroled in the schools G and T program which will aim to given them enritchment activities.

BTW being g and t is not synonymous with being a 'swot' or a 'snob'. We have very challenging children on the g and t reg in school. Sometimes this is because of other SEN, sometimes because they are not sufficiently supported and streched at school and also sometimes at home.

And sometimes they have been ruthlessly bullied by people who think it is cool to kick the shit out of the 'boff'.

zippitippitoes · 15/05/2006 18:18

not what i thought then..I thought it might be some kind of physiotherapy lol

Thank you

Piffle · 15/05/2006 18:19

Yes kick the boff
Broken arm, nose and finger
spat on, had hot food thrown over him and had his tie pulled so tight he nearly choked.
Thankfully now lodged in a grammar school, his boffiness is a cool thing.
It does present very different challenges.

Blandmum · 15/05/2006 18:19

If your son couldn't write because of physical promlems and /or dyspraxia an IEP would be totaly appropriate.

ks · 15/05/2006 18:21

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Albert · 15/05/2006 18:21

Actually this is a hugely important subject which many people know nothing about. Well done MNTowers for adding it.
One of the many parts to my job here in Brazil is to vist the schools to which Embassy families can send their children and high on my list of questions is the issue of G&T children. Most of the schools here don't recognise it at all and the G&T children really suffer and tend to get bullied as a result. It's very sad. I will watch these threads with interest.

Gillian76 · 15/05/2006 18:22

Maybe it's because of the G&T label?

cod · 15/05/2006 18:22

oh fgs not all clever kdis are blullied

cod · 15/05/2006 18:23

ad thick kids are atoo

you are being ridiculou
i am saying htat i DONT think is a disablilty or problem

Blandmum · 15/05/2006 18:24

Not all g and t kids are bullied but lots are cod. while g and t is not always an SEN it sometimes it. If you don't like this topic, why not avoid it?

charmkin · 15/05/2006 18:24

My when my dd was 4 she had a reading age of 8 and a half in reception and she was bored silly. She is on g and t register but she has coasted through Year One and is used to help other children a lot!

She has had lots of problems at school. She is a good kid and won't play up when she is bored but she had a phase of pulling her hair out ( a sort of self harm which can be brought on by boredom). She also has issues with motivation.

The problem is that the education system is aimed at middle of the road plodders. Children with SEN at BOTH ends of the spectrum will find their needs are not being met and I say this as a parent and a teacher with 12 years experience.

fullmoonfiend · 15/05/2006 18:25

my kid isn't G and T, but when tested for dsylexia, he was found to have an IQ in the top 2 per cent. Unfortunately, his aural dyslexia and his dyspraxic tendancies (crap fine motor controls) 'hide' a lot of his ability but he has a formidable mind and maybe one day he'll do something fab with it. Til then, I have to deal with all the frustrations/anger/school refusal stuff in the hope that one day he'll find the thing he shines at (other than bloody PS2 Grin.
So although I can't really join you on this thread, I do see why you might want one. It can be bloody hard finding RL people to talk to about these things, without seeming like a pushy mum.

roisin · 15/05/2006 18:25

I'm pleased to see this topic here.
Though from today's posts I'm not at all sure it's going to serve the purpose we want!

cod · 15/05/2006 18:26

middle of the road PLODDERS!!!!!
this gtes worse

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RTKangaMummy · 15/05/2006 18:26

cod go and play somewhere else if you are wanting to make comments like that

you are just showing yourself up

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Dior · 15/05/2006 18:26

Charmkin - We are lucky with ds' foundation class. They recognise and deal with Special Needs at both ends of the spectrum. Ds' teacher is wonderful. Just so you know it isn't always badly dealt with.

flibbertygibbet · 15/05/2006 18:30

I work in secondary school and many subjects in KS3 are taught mixed ability. The G&T co-ordinator is shortly going to be doing pupil trails of identified G&T kids over a day, to assess the provision they are getting: The teachers are very worried because everyone admits that it is virtually impossible to appropriately challenge the top 5% and bottom 5% of pupils in a mixed ability class.

G&T kids definitely get a rough deal in many non-selective secondary schools in the UK atm.

charmkin · 15/05/2006 18:30

It's true. There is no room for kids who want to go beyond the bloody literacy hour and actually read and study a WHOLE book and not just extracts for example. And kids that can barely write are forced to be tested anyway.

The national curriculum is a 'one size fits all solution' which DOES NOT WORK for every child. It works best for middle class girls who don't ask too many questions. It fails boys, those who are interested in maths and science and children who don't get additional support at home.

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RTKangaMummy · 15/05/2006 18:30

NP I don'tknow why she thought it was her business really I sort of explained to her but didn't as DS doesn't want the whole class to know

She is the class gossip and I knew what I said to her would be round the class like wildfire

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RTKangaMummy · 15/05/2006 18:35

QE I haven't heard of childrens university

will look it up

His primary school have not been brilliant with him really

Like you say there is not much they do with someone wanting to read Dickens and Shakespeare for example in class 6

He still had to do all the blooming practice papers for KS2 SATs

What a waste of time that was

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Blossomhill · 15/05/2006 18:38

I do think special needs and G & T can be closely linked.

My dd is exceptionally bright but it is due to her sn and I think this is quite often the case. It is though the brain makes up in one area where it lacks in another.

NotAnOtter · 15/05/2006 18:39

my kids are on this at primary schol but i am not sure ...
1.why?
2.what difference it makes?

I was told at parents evening and tbh the only thing i have noticed is that my 9year old ds went to the high school for some funky dance classes for a few weeks!!

trice · 15/05/2006 18:47

I would like to say congratulations to anyone whose child is gifted and talented. Please feel free to boast as much as you like. I will if my kids turn out to be g and t.

It makes me sad when people say cruel things when anyone posts about being successful. All parents should be proud of their kids.

Blandmum · 15/05/2006 18:50

and incidentaly G and T covers kids who are highly academic, and great at things like english maths and science, and guess what .....all the other things as well. So kids can be on the g and t regester for playing rock music, being a footballer , being an amazing chef etc etc .

Are they all elitist? Or are some sorts of 'excelling' OK and PC? Can people be talented at football without risking the wrath of Cod, but god forbid that your child excels at Latin.