What do you think about Kinesiology ??

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Just been to a kinesiologist who pushed my arm up and down a bit and seemed to have my "body's woes" sussed ???
Just don't know what to make of it all
Thanks

that's far too complicated to swap identities ... my brain really couldn't cope with all that ...

I'm getting better - and drinking lots of lucozade to try and banish this throbbing headache

Actually the bar should be open - that might help.

How are you ?

Im good, i cant be bothered swopping names either, i get myself all comfused!

erm..... confused*

Hi BadgerBadger,

"They obviously have it in for any and all alternatives to conventional treatment"

I personally think they're trying to point out the potential pitfalls of using such therapies (especially if you are in a vulnerable emotional state to start with as you can be manipulated to believe its working when it is not). Some of the people who are featured on there who promote these should not be anywhere near patients - they are charlatans.

Natural does not always mean safe.

I had Kinesiology done years ago, when my lactose intolerance started and I was trying to figure it all out. This is ONE therapist only I know, but from my point of view it was thirty quid wasted! I told her several times I was six months pregnant and had suffered until recently with Hyperemesis Gravidarum (like morning sickness on acid), yet her advice was to immediately cut out:

oats
wheat/ gluten in all forms
coffee
chocolate
anything milk based
most fruits, including berries, kiwi and all citrus
carrots
rye
tomatoes
several vegetables

Now that would have been really clever wouldn't it! And I would have eaten what, precisely?

Maybe an exclusion diet would have helped pin it down had I been NOT pregnant, but advising an expectatnt mother to cut out so many nutrituional foods is irresponsible

MU

Your statement does not explain why the Kneisologist we saw diagnosed the food group (Bovine) that my dd was having a severe reaction to - her stomach was ulcerated when she had an endoscopy at the hospital (this was done as 2 lots of blood work had come back negative) the third lot of bloods were sent to a different lab as apparently some are more accurate than others - in the mean time we went to see a Knesiologist who, within half an hour told me it was cows milk, gelatine, and beef (the two last ones being the worst)

Within days she was a different child and we could take her off all the meds she was on - her consultant chased the hospital for her bt results and they mirrored what we already knew from the Kniesologist

Try and disprove that!

She also picked up that my ds had a very severe blood prob and he later was diagnosed at the hospital with a ferrtin level of 16 (should have been 250) which they still have not got to the bottom of and he is going to have to see a blood specialist

Try and disprove that!

I also have no PMT since coming off dairy (she picked up a severe allergy) this had been a prob since I was 13 - the month after I came off it I had no PMT at all (and have not had it since)

You cannot give such sweeping statements unless you have tried it yourself - we are very much in debt to the one we saw - her advice has been life changing for all of us

OK, so there may well be some good ones about, BUT I would be wary! get a good one great, get a bad one and follow the advice, well look at that message about that poor little one year old..

If you wanna try it, do, why not? But keep your brain switched on for stuff that sounds basically dangerous / nonsensical and go into with your eyes wide open. I found mine at a very well established clinic and she could have endangered mine and my babys life had I followed her advice, others have had success, so- like I said, EYES WIDE OPEN!

Agree - mine came highly recommended and she is also a qualified nutrionalist which helps with advice on replacing foods that have a similar nutionional content

I had kinesiology sessions to diagnose which foods I was intolerant to, and it did seem to work, I mean when I cut these foods out my symptoms disappeared.

Sceptics will be saying "oh it was all in your mind, you never had any allergies and cutting out the foods was merely a placebo effect." Many people have been rude enough to say this to my face.
I recently had a prick test that confirmed my allergy to wheat (now much reduced). No other foods were tested, becuase the doctor was looking for hay fever not food allergies, but it did confirm the wheat allergy that the kinesiologist had already diagnosed.

The test involved me holding bottles of unknown liquids, while the doctor tested how strong my muscles were, by pushing my arm down, while I had to push up. I had a weird experience with one of the little bottles, where my brain told my muscles to tense, but they just wouldnt, and my arm was really weak. I asked immediately, what was in the bottle, and was told that it was tartrazine.

Yes, it did feel like magic, but I cant say that there was nothing behind it, because it did seem to work.

MU,

"Natural does not always mean safe."

Nor does 'conventional'!

That aside, I found the theory that success could be due to the power of suggestion interesting. TBH, even if I didn't have faith in some alternative therapies/treatments I would happily pay someone to 'convince me well' If it negated the need for conventional treatments and the many side effects linked with most of them, I'd consider it money well spent .

FWIW, I completely agree that there are some charlatans out there, but IME, the same goes for conventional treatment.

How often do we read about misdiagnosis or innacurate advice provided to people by conventional therapists (GP's HV's)? Regularly!

I went to see a kinesiologist keeping both my mind and my eyes wide open. She was very thorough with my medical history and asked lots of questions about my lifestyle as well as my symptoms - none of which happens when you go to see a GP.

The testing itself was a very weird experience but, having spent £40 on the consultation, I followed her advice to the letter mentally giving it six weeks to work. It worked a lot quicker than that and I felt better than I had in a very long time. She picked up intolerances to several foods and my GP had not even suggested this as a cause of my symptoms - he thought it was stress realted despite me telling him I was not under any stress!!!

It certainly worked for me but I would agree that you need to keep your wits about you. I don't mean that in relation to kinesiology though, just in general. The world is full of charlatans, fruit cakes and the generally incompetent and many of them are highly qualified

How does the stuff get out of the bottle to have the effect? Honest question?

Hi,

Malpractice is the failure to meet mainstream standards of care. Fraud is deliberate misrepresentation. Quackery, as it is defined, involves the promotion of unsubstantiated methods that lack a scientifically plausible rationale. Although some overlap exists, most cases of malpractice involve negligence rather than fraud or the promotion of bogus methods.

at fatmomma

I dont find kinesiology any stranger than reflexology to be honest and that is becoming more and more commonplace.

HMB

Apparently the phials have an effect on your system so if you are allergic to it then your muscles weaken so there is no resistance in your arm - not sure about the glass - my ds asked exactly the same question when he went with us once and rooted through her collection of phials and was v embarrasing by asking 'how does this get into here then' when looking at one that had some sort of electrical phial (vdu?)

He is Mr totally Sceptical on the subject but was interested as he had seen the results on dd when she came off the food groups Kneisologist had given as her allergens

Also shut up totally when she gave him a five minute taster test and picked up cheese as a allergen for him (told me afterwards it made him feel ill when he eats it) still eats it though as he loves cheese

Not sure what MU last post is all about? - so many so called 'quackery' treatments are not being used in main stream medicine - chinese medicine is used in Great Ormond Street and Acupuncture has just been proven (in blind testing) to relieve pain

Alot of these ''alternative' treatments are not really alternative as have been around for much longer than Conventional medicine and, I think, be re-discovered as effective treatments for many illnesses that the mainstream cannot help - which alot of the time only treat the causes and not the root of the problem

I just don't 'get' how it can have an effect, sorry, and it can't be eletrical because glass is an insulator.

Should read 'are being used in Conventional medicine'

Sorry will have to differ as we have had results where conventional medicine failed - Kneisologist picked up food allegens and conventional medicine lagged slowley behind (three lots of bloods, three different types of consultant - ent, gastroentologist and allergy consultant and one endoscopy = half an hour of Kneisology - I know which one dd prefered

THis was an interesting thing which was picked up at my session - my jaws click when I eat amd have done for years. However after my lady fixed the energy around my hips (remember I had dislocated my hip from my back when pregnant 12.5 years ago) my jaw clicking stopped. I mentioned this to her and she pointed out that hips and jaws are on the same energy line !

We ought to be able to trust that we are getting the best currently proven therapy. Patients should not have to worry about whether the physicians they choose are quacks. If they choose to go elsewhere, that is their right -- but free choice is hampered if patients have no way to distinguish between proven and unproven/disproven therapies. If science-based medicine doesn't meet your needs, you are of course free to look elsewhere, but you should realize that you are entering less-charted waters with much less assurance of reliability. It might be worthwhile to ask why some who sell methods which aren't proven want to blur or hide that distinction.

FIMAC - we will have to agree to differ!!. If this therapy was scientifically proven in randomised control trials then fair enough but the fact is that it is not (it has been widely researched) and therefore remains unproven.

Quacks make them sound like Ducks

• hopefully you will be proved wrong in the future when Conventional medicine recognises manay complimentary medicines which will give relief and results to many
• Conventional medicine tends on the whole to treat the symptoms of illnesses and not the causes - it has a long way to go

not all conventional methods/medicines work either! It can often be a case of hit and miss with regular drugs/therapies

true but conventional treatments do have a statutory requirement for testing. it isn't always perfect but there is some done. it costs over 100,000,000 uk pounds to get a drug tested and cleaserd for market, but nothing comparable for alternatives. and being 'natural' doesn't make things safe. neither does being an old treatment.

MU

Also - who funded the scientifically proven in randomised control trials - the results of which are usually interesting!

Trials are always subjective and open to reading them in a non-biased manner, whatever

We have tried conventional (believe you me we have tried it - to the hilt!) ds was very prem and was in and out of hosptial for the first three years, and have found results from both therapies -

trials are not subjective in that they should be, wherever possible, double blind ., with agreed levels of statistical significance. they should not rely on an n of one, and they subjectsvshould be unavare of the treatment to get rid of the placebo effect, which can Be large in all trials, conventional or alternative.