Horror: Is it true the US has stopped the SF vaccination programme due to side effects?

[Letsdoit]

I heard that this morning from my homeopath.

She did say she's not yet been able to ascertain whether it 's a fact or a rumour, so I wondered if anyone else has heard it too?

Do hope it is unfounded. I've had my jab already so too late for me but my little girl is due to have it tomorrow so I'm still in time to stop that if need be.

Good luck everyone.

Absolutely riven. You've weighed up dd's risks and I understand why you've decided not to give it. Too many variables.

After posting on here yesterday I bumped into my neighbour who is a paediatric (sp) nurse. She has a 6m old ds, I asked her whether she was giving him the jab and she replied "no, i wouldn't give him the one for seasonal flu either"

Riven, my nephew had it last week he is 9. they normally offer it to ds1 as well.

anyway I am hopping back into bed for an hour i think

Our numbers are calculated from the hotline plus testing of samples. Which means they allow for the fact that not everyone who gets Tamiflu really has SF. So when they give us the number of SF cases, they are not just counting up Tamiflu codes or whatever - they're using much more complex modelling than that, even though there's still a big error margin.

Have not read the whole thread but the only thing I have heard is the Canada story which I think she may have mistaken it for. I notice that thisis yetsreday mentions it too.

Centrifugalfork:
With refernce to the counting of cases, I find this as confused as the information about the vaccines! I would love to know what 'complex modelling' is being used - do you know where I can find out more or which authority is responsible?

Although the following is from an American investigation of number of Swine Flu cases, I think the information is relevant:

This is the CBS News information regarding how many cases of swine flu were actually detected before they stopped actually testing for it...

Reported by investigative journalist Sharyl Attkisson - CBS News correspondent and investigative reporter. She was also part of the CBS news team that received the Edward Murrow Award in 2005 for overall excellence. Additionally, she received an Outstanding Investigative Journalism Emmy in 2002 for a series on the Red Cross)

Her investigation found:
?The CDC explained that one of the reasons they quit counting was because of all the flu that?s out there, most are swine flu. Well, that?s true. Most of the flu that was out there was indeed swine flu, but they failed to say that most of the suspected flu was nothing at all. And I think that?s the caveat the public just didn?t know,? Attkisson explains.

She gives even more striking examples of the numbers the investigative report revealed.

For instance:

In Florida, 83 percent of specimens that were presumed to be swine flu were negative for all flu when tested!

In California, 86 percent of suspected H1N1 specimens were not swine flu or any flu; only 2 percent were confirmed swine flu.

In Alaska, 93 percent of suspected swine flu specimens were negative for all flu types; only 1 percent was H1N1 flu.

In the UK summer when the first wave was occurring, at the time we stopped testing everyone with compatible clinical symptoms, around 50% of the samples were positive.

Remember that in the UK - now in the next wave - testing is still going on for outbreaks in schools etc. A small number of pupils are swabbed and if they're positive, everyone else off school with the same clinical symptoms and signs are presumed to be swine flu.

Method used to estimate new pandemic (H1N1) 2009 influenza cases in England in the week 3 August to 9 August 2009 - describes the changes to the method when the pandemic helpline was introduced. I guess it'll have been tweaked as time has gone by since then.

The HPA do a weekly epidemiology report which is where the media get the new case numbers each week (on a Thursday) and which also explains (but in less detail) where the numbers come from - la st week's report.

another article here:

sg.news.yahoo.com/cna/20091124/tap-303-hsa-says-27-cases-adverse-reacti-231650b.html

Singapore is a very small place and trigger happy when it comes to medicating.

It is highly significant that in a land of carefully controlled informations and politically correct media the health authority has actually admitted there might be a problem.

The kids and I just got the swine flu jab late last week here in Los Angeles. Haven't heard anything about any problems with it.

TLESinChristmasstockings Thank you very much for your post on Mon 23 at 19:20. That is the most balanced, informative piece of information I have ever read about swine flu.

Oh, and my family's not having it.

With respect, Sakura, that "balanced" post of TLES contains some factual errors which make it not so balanced. For example, of those who have died of swine flu in the UK, about 20% have NO underlying health conditions predisposing to severe disease.

Riven, in 2008 6000 people died of seasonal flu

But v probably most of those 6000 seasonal flu deaths were elderly and with existing health problems.

one of the major companies-Glaxo?-in Canada have had to stop one batch as there have been some adverse effects.

While I was at the GP yesterday he took a call, his 20th of the day, from a patient wondering whether to vaccinate his family (including asthmatic toddler and newborn)

GP is utterly exasperated with the media hype. His informed opinion is that the vaccine is as safe as any other vaccine.
Also he said that squalene has been used for years in other vaccines. He is recommending vaccination for anyone that wants it, particularly the young and vulnerable, and he has no problems with vaccinating himself and his 12yo DS.

www.mysinchew.com/node/31953

sorry,not sure why that link isn't working.

www.mysinchew.com/node/31953

ChristmasStockings - I agree re. your post.
As a result I have finally made my decision.

(Many weeks have been spent agonising)

I found linking a problem then realised you have to put before the link and after it
www.mysinchew.com/node/31953 - think that should work for your link