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Horror: Is it true the US has stopped the SF vaccination programme due to side effects?

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Letsdoit · 23/11/2009 18:30

I heard that this morning from my homeopath.

She did say she's not yet been able to ascertain whether it 's a fact or a rumour, so I wondered if anyone else has heard it too?

Do hope it is unfounded. I've had my jab already so too late for me but my little girl is due to have it tomorrow so I'm still in time to stop that if need be.

Good luck everyone.

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sarah293 · 23/11/2009 18:32

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E45 · 23/11/2009 18:34

I heard that this morning from my homeopath.

No hidden agenda, from her then.

sarah293 · 23/11/2009 18:35

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edam · 23/11/2009 18:36

It'd be the top story on all the reputable news websites if this were true.

Letsdoit · 23/11/2009 18:37

E45 - I know!

That's what I thought. But still worth checking, I guess...

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DarrellRivers · 23/11/2009 18:37

Was going to add similar E45
Reliable source , perhaps more reliable than Sky News

Letsdoit · 23/11/2009 18:37

And I still can't find anything about it anywhere in the web

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sarah293 · 23/11/2009 18:58

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whensmydayoff · 23/11/2009 19:00

Im being really thick but why are homeopaths making this up?

sarah293 · 23/11/2009 19:07

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TrillianAstra · 23/11/2009 19:12

IMO

homeopath = a person who will believe stuff on hearsay and no evidence

homepath = someone who wants you to use their "medicine" and not "conventional" (i.e. real) medicine

But I am a cynical bastard, if homeopathy is working fo ryou keep using it (as well as conventional medicine, not instead of) as the placebo effect is fantastic.

GentleOtter · 23/11/2009 19:16

Cannot answer re the US but testing in Scotland

TLESinChristmasStockings · 23/11/2009 19:20

Swine Flu Jab as such was FIRST given in 1976, well thats when the first swine flu jab was given and it caused a lot of problems for people including a deadly nerve disease.
At the time it was withdrawn after just 10 weeks after more than 500 cases of GBS were discovered, More people died from the jab than Swine flu itself.
This swine flu strain has been circulating since 1998, in that time there have been NO vaccines created BUT because there were so many cases of it this year they have made one.
Now If you think that in 11 years we have had it circulating and nobody has had a serious reaction to it, it shows that it is not as bad as all the hype is making out.
Yes there have been a number of deaths 214 to be exact. However in 2008 seasonal flu killed 6000 people.
The problem here is, that we have had so much media coverage over "swine flu" that there has been a major reaction. My 2 boys have had it and I can honestly say Karl had seasonal flu previously and was more affected by that than swine flu, so was I. Although during the time i had swine flu I spent 1 entire day sleeping waking for just 5 or 10 minutes at a time.
Just a simple question and an easy one....
If there had not been all this hype over this strain of flu how many of you would be giving yourselves or your children the seasonal flu jab?
The swine flu strain has just the same risks as seasonal flu. The people who have died from it have had underlying medical problems, they have not been in full health at the time they contracted swine flu.
And another thing. DS1 started showing signs of it on the 4th of July, we were out for the day at the coast. He went on a ride got off and vomitted, after that he was fine, he was running a temperature but tbh we all put it down to the fact that it was a hot day so we didn't make a fuss. The following day he was fine and the day after that he was in school, when he came home we went down the coast. At this point we did not know he had swine flu. However on the Tuesday I could not get him out of bed in the morning as he felt unwell so I kept him off school. DP went shopping with him leaving me at home because I had a headache. DS2 and I slept on the sofa by the time they got back from shopping I was unwell but not seriously iyswim? On the wednesday I woke up and I too vomitted that was the day I then slept on and off all day, On the Thursday I felt fine, But DS2 woke up vomitted fell asleep for the rest of the day and on the Friday was fine. DP on the other hand never showed any symptons of it.

thisisyesterday · 23/11/2009 19:26

A new development in the H1N1 Vaccine Saga is unfolding in Canada.

Whereas health officials are pushing for an acceleration of the
vaccination program, there is evidence of so-called "unusual adverse
reactions" including three recently recorded deaths directly resulting
from the vaccine.

In the meantime, health authorities have called for the withdrawal of
170,000 (higher risk) doses of the vaccine produced by
GlaxoSmithKline. The initiative, of which the importance is being
downplayed, is said to have come from the manufacturer
GlaxoSmithKline, which expressed concern on higher than normal adverse
reactions to the vaccine.

"Canada's H1N1 flu vaccine manufacturer has asked the provinces to
temporarily discontinue vaccinating Canadians from a lot of vaccine
shipped in October due to a higher risk of adverse reactions, says a
Manitoba health official.

Dr. Joel Kettner, Manitoba's chief public health officer, said
Thursday that GlaxoSmithKline has asked that the October batch be
taken out of circulation because it produced serious and immediate
anaphylactic reactions in one out of 20,000 vaccinations, compared
with one out of 100,000 in other shipments.

"We've been asked by the manufacturer GSK to not use this vaccine
at this time pending further investigation," he said. (Winnipeg Free
Press, 20 November 2009)

Letsdoit · 23/11/2009 20:02

To Riven: Well, I've had doubts all along, so I decided to test the vaccine on myself before giving it to my toddler. Do you mean some other of your children have had the jab but you will not give it to dd2? What age is she?

To thisisyesterday: Thank you for this. You've done much better than me at locating the origin of it all.

To TrillianAstra: My homeopath heard it from a patient and was going to research it further like I've done. I know homeopaths have 'alternative' views, but to be honest she has never tried to convince me of anything. I think she genuinely thought if this was true, then I should know. Thanks for your reply anyway.

Deciding whether to vaccinate my toddler or not really has not been easy...am quite close to getting a little tired of trying to decide, tbh. Ah, the joys of parenthood, eh?

But, all in all, and given that the vaccine offered to us is the Baxter=Celvapan, I think I may go ahead...

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Musukebba · 23/11/2009 21:17

Yes I have seen this on ProMed too. Seems like a precautionary measure after a higher than anticipated number of anaphylactic events.

Link.

Letsdoit · 23/11/2009 21:34

Thanks Musukebba.

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MavisEnderby · 23/11/2009 21:48

The thing is though,with any vaccine there are (sadly) a small percentage of people who will have a reaction to the vaccine.

On the flip side,though I am no means an expert on vaccination,I do work with severely immunocompromised people and have in the last few weeks seen 3 patients who have become extremely ill from swine flu,2 have had to go to itu and required ventilating and the third is hanging on in there on our ward but is on 70% oxygen via a respiflow machine and really going through the mill...

It is a very difficult one to call,but I think if I were immunocompromised I would have the vaccine.

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piscesmoon · 24/11/2009 08:08

There is absolutely no way that I would have it-I am surprised that so many people are just so accepting of it. I don't like the list of ingredients, or the fact that it hasn't been adequately tested.

sarah293 · 24/11/2009 08:22

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saggarmakersbottomknocker · 24/11/2009 08:29

That's the bottom line really - are you likely to have a life changing event from the illness or from the vax? dd likely to have an event from the illness (not just swine flu, any flu) so my choice for her is to risk the vax rather than the illness (and the vax isn't without risk, I'm clear on that).

dd has had the jab and appears to be having an immune response to it now (started 9 days post jab). In my (unqualified opinion) this is not a side effect it's an expected response.

Difficult decision to make if you have a susceptible child. I wouldn't give my healthy children this vax, just as I've not given them the seasonal one.

whensmydayoff · 24/11/2009 08:41

christmasstocking You've made my shoulders relax for first time in weeks!

It puts it into perspective doesn't it.

Im 34 weeks PG with a 2yr old and an asthmatic husband, ive been a nervous wreck.

I am anti vaccine so didn't have peace of mind either way.

The only thing I was going to ask - If 6000 people usually die from seasonal flu, did this still include PG woman or was it just very old and very poorly people?
Maybe this is the big difference that has folk running for a decidedly dodgy vaccine?

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