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If your DC hasn't had the MMR, what are your reasons & have they had the illness's ?

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IcantbelieveImForty · 22/05/2009 17:47

If they have had any of the illness's, how have they been ?

I wasn't vaccinated (although I did have rubella age 15) & as a child had mumps & measles.

If they haven't had the illnesses are you assuming they won't because of herd immunity, or are you relying on their healthy immune systems ?

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NationalFlight · 23/05/2009 16:08

I'd like to know how they guess calculate those percentages anyway.

isenhart7 · 23/05/2009 16:10

I mean if we're serious about measles eradication wouldn't it make sense to continue shooting those that can tolerate it until they relent and take up immunity?

lljkk · 23/05/2009 17:37

Very Recent whooping cough outbreak in Australia, mentions death of a little baby.

iris66 · 23/05/2009 19:50

Whooping cough is dangerous to small babies because their tracheas haven't hardened off and the accompanying swelling can seriously restrict their airways. As far as I know, that's the most significant factor in complications (but do feel free to correct/educate me)

I will try to find a link to the research i've seen but it suggests that the spleens (main antibody producing gland) of immunised people are about 1/2 the size of those who are unimmunised. Surely this continual battering of the bodies natural defence mechanism is going to leave us more vulnerable to any infection in the long run. How many vaccinations (not jabs) are generally given in the first 3 years nowadays anyway, 30? 35? Little wonder we've got children apallingly affected by them.

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IcantbelieveImForty · 23/05/2009 21:56

iris66, these are exactly my thoughts - please do add links if/when you find them.

I also think that long term breastfeeding must help with immunity ?

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OlympedeGouges · 23/05/2009 23:51

I'd be very surprised if research like that had ever been carried out. you mean to say that post mortems were carried out on a non vaccinated group of people[where would you find this group?]and a vaccinated group and the spleens were all found to be half the size in the vaccinated group? Would love to see that research yes.

I think lots of people [not necessarily those with vaccine damage siblings or with children with complicated health histories] would change their minds about vaccinating if they lived in countries where some of these diseases were rife. It is a bit of a luxury to worry about the toxins in vaccines when you don't really have to worry too much about the diseases they protect against.

iris66 · 24/05/2009 11:50

OlympedeGouges/ICantBelieveImForty - apologies for misleading you (it was a very tired just-before-bed post ) - the article I was referring to wasn't specificly research into spleen size (I agree that would be a totally odd and random thing to do). It was more of an observation made during the course of other research. I'll have a good hunt later as it was a few years ago (up to my eyes in children/cooking at the mo)

frustratedmom · 24/05/2009 12:10

The reason why the don't vaccinate if you have gained immunity from the 1st couple of attempts and it is likely that you have natural immunity (i believe) and that yuo are still unlikely to gain any additional immunity from futher injections. My mother have her BCG 6 times and still should no positive reaction to the immunity test. I was retested after my first BCG and showed no immunity, my sister first had hers as a baby and had to have it redone as a teenager. She also has no positve immunity when tested. It just saves money on a pointless exercise.

My son didn't have MMR as a baby as had allergy linked questions that nobody would/could answer. We were referred recently to a top specialist in field and discussed it. He has now had his 1st MMR shot age 3 1/2 and is due a follow up in August. I had no fears with autism and can happily say that he was showing the signs before he had his first shot so I have no link to that. But he has already had German measles and no complications. Was only really worried about measles and considered single as I nearly lost my hearing due to it.

frustratedmom · 24/05/2009 12:15

opps sorry first line meant to read if you ...HAVEN'T gained immunity...

And I agree iris66 the kids today are overloaded with injections!
But also need to consider the exposure of kids gerneally to bacteria - they are too clean these days and not exposed to enough bugs and general dirt. What impact of the use of anitbacterial wipes and solutions has there been on immune responses and was this considered when they linked spleen size and immunity / jabs?

LeonieSoSleepy · 24/05/2009 13:57

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frustratedmom · 24/05/2009 14:08

Ah pubmed -forgotten about that resource. used that with the autism scare consideration Would recommend to anyone who can stomach heavy reading and had concerns. just allocate a chunk of time -its not a 5 min job.

hellywobs · 27/05/2009 20:21

My son had the MMR at 6. He had mumps when he was 2 (we think - could have just been a nasty throat infection).

SparklingSarah · 05/06/2009 08:39

Neither of my children have been vaccinated.

oldest is 7 - had usual childhood stuff
chicken pox tonsilitis and never had a tummy bug never had prolonged coughs and colds

one year old has never been ill

fragola · 07/06/2009 10:23

I think that statistics on the frequency of illnesses can be very misleading.

For example, I caught whooping cough from a friend. She gave it to her partner, who gave it to his parents. I gave it to my partner, my parents and my brother. It's so inectious I suspect it spread further, but these are the cases that I know about.

I was off work for about 5 weeks and it took about 8 months before I stopped whooping.

None of our doctors recorded that we had whooping cough (swabs only pick up the infection if taken very early on), so that was nine cases in one area that went unreported.

I do wonder how many other illnesses are doing the rounds that aren't being reported.

readbtweenthelines · 10/08/2009 21:05

It's strange how times have changed.

In my DH childhood they didn't do all these vaccinations when children were in nappies let alone when they had mature systems.

Did he get measles, yes. Di he get mumps, yes. Did he get chicken pox, yes. And he and his sister got over all of them with no lasting side effects. Yes we will all get illnesses, yes some of us will react badly and come out of it worse for wear. BUT is it really any worse than man playing God and doing sweeping vaccinations and not knowing the full implications of his action for many many moons to come.

All for the good of Man, no. Only MO

SteveBirmingham · 23/09/2023 16:47

I declined the MMR jab for all my children but what I did was to have the individual jabs. In the first years of their lives I had them take just a measles jab. At the next stage when they are older at 3 years they all had the German measles not until they were in there 10th year I had them vaccinated against mumps. All my children have developed very well, my son at uni studying aeronautical engineering, my daughter got all A,A+ and A++ in her gcse and now studying for A levels in Biology, Chemistry and geography. My youngest son got into the no1 grammar school in Birmingham and is the smartest kid in the class.
Would I do it the same way again? You bet.

SteveBirmingham · 23/09/2023 16:48

And in their 2 Yr at secondary school they all had a booster MMR jab.

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