If your DC hasn't had the MMR, what are your reasons & have they had the illness's ?

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If they have had any of the illness's, how have they been ?

I wasn't vaccinated (although I did have rubella age 15) & as a child had mumps & measles.

If they haven't had the illnesses are you assuming they won't because of herd immunity, or are you relying on their healthy immune systems ?

One of the GPs in our practice was quite rude to me over a long period of time, simply because of our refusal to allow DS to have MMR.

I explained our reasons to him more than once, but he was downright rude. When DS was ill with his Virus aged 3, the medical student in the surgery at the time suggested it could be measles, to which the Dr replied "I don't think so, all children these days have had the MMR vaccine." I reminded him that DS had not, at which point he made some mention of "stupid parents" . I told the student that we had specific reasons not to allow MMR.
I made it a point not to see that partyicular GP again (he's retired now, thank God).

Totalchaos it's interesting to not that, though there's loads of croup about every year, whooping cough apparently doesn't exist anymore

It's usually younger docs that are PRO MMR.

iris - my whooping cough was put down in my notes as asthma back in the 90s, and no sample was taken/authorities notified....

DS hasn't had the MMR. He is allergic to both egg and gelatin.

I'm not keen on injecting him with something he is likely to have an allergic reaction to.

Totalchaos - exactly, they've wiped it out with all the vaccinations that are so effective

DD didn't have the MMR, she has had single Measles and Rubella. DD disabled and has chronic and ongoing bowel problems, the last thing I want to do is take even a tiny chance of adding to them. So singles it was for us.
She's never had any of the illnesses despite not being immunised against mumps - that's one I was willing for her to catch and develop her own immunity to.

ds1 has had single measles and 'real' rubella (caught from a vaccinated child).

DS2 and DS3 have (following ds1's regression) not had any vaccinations at all. They have not had any of the illnesses (unless they've had mumps sub-clinically - they were exposed).

They will probably have a single measles jab about age 9 or 10. Less sure about giving it to ds3 than ds2.

Have always declared to nurseries and schools. Never had any questions.

ds1 btw was meant to have the M and R singly as well, but his regression put paid to any further vaccinations.

Hi saintly dame, what do you think of the single measles jab for a child with gut issues? Can't find much info on the subject. Any evidence of regressions following single measles jab?

Yes, but not as common. My aunt cares for an adult brain damaged by single measles (received a payout). If the concern is gut issues then I suppose it's a hard choice as you either take the risk of introducing a virus that your child might not otherwise encounter, but if you don't then you run the risk of a full on dose which is worst post puberty anyway. Rock and hard place.

One brand of MMR was particularly associated with autistic enterocolitis. It is no longer given.

yes difficult. thankyou. Very important post puberty i agree.

I can't yet make heads or tales out of the statistics. V strange-for instance-1 in 1000 measles cases will result in v serious complications with 15% of those dying. Well, I picture the patients'limbs falling off but maybe it's just me.

This again

No 5 of mine haven't had jabs. I'd rather they got the illnesses.

Riven - you can get gp/nurse to do a mouth swab to check for measles immunity - can't remember the exact time line but you can get it done a few weeks after the suspected measles.

re:protecting the community - when people post on here coz their kids are unwell after jabs, the vehemently pro-MMR brigade tend to be conspicuous by their absence...

Novice if I'm so contented other kids might suffer why have I just signed up to study social work? In Wales.

Why did I have the other three done? Nobody ever addresses that issue I note.

There's an immunity rate in this household way above herd level (6 of us one not done), not the sign of an iresponsible person

Anyway am off now... if anyone does want me to jab ds4 can they promise they will cover his care costs and provide domestic and emotional support post possible dx? Or would they make like pretty much every other NT Mum I know and scarper as soon as I dont look chirpy of a morning?

place yer bets now...

Unless someone wants to banktroll a single? Again thought not
(wouldnt accept really LOL, not a money grabber)
Easy to criticise isn't it? Without any uinderstandiong of reality on the other side? Life stuffed us, dh lost his job so singles not an option for foreseeable future.

My first had it, my second hasn't because he had already had measles at 10 months plus was displaying a few red flags for autism, and I did not want to take the risk.

I shall be vaccinating him against mumps as soon as he is a bit older and I can afford the vaccine. However the whole process of trying to find out about single vaccs has put me off slightly - the nurse at our practice refused to even discuss it, did not wish to take blood to test his immunity for measles (HPA swabbed him but it was inconclusive) and basically clammed up completely when I mentioned not having the MMR.

Why the secrecy, why the beaurocracy...it's baffling. I think the govt has a duty of care to make the single vaccs readily and freely available.

I don't rely on herd immunity, that would be selfish unless I had another reason not to vaccinate my children - however I think most people who don't give the MMR DO have a good reason, and that's lack of faith in its safety. It's lost public confidence, and I believe the govt has ulterior motives for encouraging its use almost to the point of making it compulsory.,,not sure what these are, possibly large stockpiles waiting to be used, or similar...who knows.

I don't judge the parents, despite being very angry that because of the loss of confidence and subsequent low uptake, ds was exposed to measles at a vulnerable age.

I blame the government for their handling of it. I'd bet you that atleast 95% of parents refusing the MMR would opt for singles if they could afford and access them.

And again, the government escapes having to take action as we sit here tearing each other to bits for their cock up.

When will we learn not to blame each other for wanting to protect our children?

NationalFlight-you are so right re: blaming each other. I don't know that low uptake rate by other parents WAS responsible for your child's exposure. Apparently, novicemama thinks along these lines as well as she said:

"I hear many children under one are being hospitalised because take up of MMR in the area is a only 15%-disgraceful."

So, I'm wondering what the scientific basis is for the oft quoted required vaccination rate?

And here is another question:

No vaccine is 100% effective. True or not true?

Well, Isenhart, considering that people whose children have just had their MMR are being offered the boostyer less than a month later, due to cases in the area, I doubt it is as effective as the powers that be would have us believe.

Well, this is another thing I wonder about-really-if one shot is thought to work for 95% of the people and two shots thought to work for 98% of the people why not three or four shots for those that were vaccinated twice but are still not immune?