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Can (possible) Kidney stones lead to D&V (way tmi sorry)

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KatyMac · 15/02/2009 19:42

I am awaiting the results of a scan for kidney stones & although the major pain with the kidney is mainly gone I have had loads of pain with D & V which came on this morning.

Here is the TMI bit

I am totally liquid - almost water like D & my last V was quite green

I haven't eaten since yesterday evening & I am not keeping down water or flat lemonade

Normally I would ignore & just say bug but with the kidney stones being around I feel a bit concerned

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 01:13

She is passing me through - she is most worried about the shoulder pain (as I thought)

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 01:14

lol! Sounds about right. I'll hang on here.

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 01:31

That is so kind of you

I have to take diarrhoea relief - with some sips of water will I keep that down?

Slithers of ice (or is that slivers?)

Review the situation in 1 to 2 hours & phone GP if not better or if I don't keep the medication down

Re Shoulder - I must sit up in bed as it is acid irritating my diaphram (which actually makes sense as since I have been sat up it is fading)

Oh & lots of people locally have it

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 01:36

Diarrhoea relief just replaces some of the electrolytes, if you take small sips (5ml at a time) then you should keep it down.

How does acid affect your shoulder? Wrong place, the stomach's no where near the shoulder

PMSL at lots of people having this! They are shite though. I'd pop to A&E myself, they can pop a cannula in and you'll be free of pain in no time. I was told last week that I could take ibuprofen by the out of hours doctor, I have IBS too.

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 01:39

It's not rehydration stuff - tho' I might try that

It's the 'stop you pooping' stuff - loperamide hydrocholride (I had it in from when we went abroad - I don't really self-medicate except when abroad)

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 01:40

Sorry - the shoulder is 'referred' pain which I knew already as I had an ectopic

IMO I have had too much wrong with me over the past few years & I think it is someone elses turn now ?

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 01:44

Don't do the 'stop you pooping stuff', especially not if you have IBS, it will bung you up and it needs to escape IYKWIM.

I don't think they should assume it's referred pain without at least examining you. I have been told of NHS redirect making assumptions about people's conditions, I was talking to someone on here a whils back, her daughters leg was swollen, NHS direct told her she had got her leg stuck in the bars of her cot! I have no idea how they came up with that one

Are you feeling any better? How's the pain?

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 01:45

Well I think I am about to throw up the medication - so that won't be an issue

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 01:46

you need to go to A&E!

scrooged · 16/02/2009 12:01

You OK Katy?

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 13:14

Yep - D&V stopped about 2:30

D started up again about an hour ago

I am exhausted & I have a bit of groin pain (I think you mentioned that) not a lot - just a bit

Thank you so much for your help & support last night - I wasn't sure I was going to get through it

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QOD · 16/02/2009 17:19

Mt GP arranged for an ambulance to take me in, they gave me something, pethidine? I think at the hospital and that sorted me for a bit.
That was over night, a couple of days later I went to the surgery and he gave me morphine.
That one passed a day or 2 later. The 2nd one was bigger and wedged, I had it retrieved with a basket (LOL) after having a double j stent put in to allow my poor kidney to drain.
You really have my sympathy, 1 first stone was nhs, the 2nd - I had private medical insurance. The difference was amazing!

scrooged · 16/02/2009 17:56

The basket's normal, they look at the type of stone to work out what causes them so it's helpful to them if they have one to test. They would have put a stent in on the NHS, the treatment you had would have been exactly the same as in the NHS hospital, the consultants work at both! The only difference is that you get treated faster and have a lovely room.

I'm so pleased you are getting better Katy. Take it easy and look after yourself.

QOD · 16/02/2009 20:03

Thats totally not how it was scrooged, the nhs just kept "slapping a plaster on" and sending me home, pain relief and go and see your gp.
It eventually passed after 2 1\2 weeks, i have a scan just after htat, with the iodine. That was the earliest emergency appointment.
On the private side, i got a scan that day, stent 3 days later and then 2 weeks later stone retrival.

scrooged · 16/02/2009 20:11

So you did get seen faster as a private patient then.

QOD · 16/02/2009 20:49

i did because it happened on holiday, on my return to the uk i saw a consultant within a week then the op within 2 weeks.
NHS honestly just kept drugging me and patting me on the head.

scrooged · 16/02/2009 20:58

It often depends how 'annoyed' you get with them, different GP's also do things differently so it's often worthwhile going to see someone else. I have noticed that the louder you shout, the faster you get problems resolved. It shouldn't be like this. It's not the same for everyone though.

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 21:14

Well I have kept down about a quarter of a bread roll - just, but I won't eat again too soon

I still have small sharp pains in my groin - lasting about 2/3 seconds & feeling like someone stabbed me - but quite dealable with (iyswim)

I am off to Papworth Hospital tomorrow with DH - which tbh I am not too chuffed about as I might have to drive home, but as nothing major is happening I'll give it a go

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 21:22

That's the stone moving.

I hope it all goes well for you tomorrow.

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 21:24

Thanks - It's just a check up really - DH has been so much better since his treatment - they might sign him off (actually no they won't but I can hope)

The pains aren't often - I have had 7 or 8 of them

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 21:27

It's a muscle contraction, the same as when you eat, the muscles push the food through (called peristalis). It should pass eventually, try weeing into something and looking for the stone. It's helpful if you find one because they can analyse it to see what's causing it, then they will give you a list of foods containing the same chemials to avoid for future reference.

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KatyMac · 16/02/2009 21:34

Should I not go with DH because of my tummy bug - I know hospitals don't want sick people to visit

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scrooged · 16/02/2009 21:54

Is he going on to a ward or just an outpatient appointment? Go if it's outpatients, you may not be infectious, a stone does give you a dodgy tummy. If it's a ward then call them first.

QOD · 16/02/2009 21:56

f you wee in a jug, there may be "SILK" floating on the top, thats a sign of stones & things a moving!
Poor you, awwwwwww memories......

scrooged · 16/02/2009 21:57

Silk? Not heard of that one. What's that?

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