MMR-pros and cons?

[hazlinh]

Many many apologies if this has been discussed in great detail in the past...but dd is just going to turn one next week and am wondering what pros and cons there are to having her MMR jab.is it really necessary?or is she better off not having it done

Blimey, get over yourself will you!

I've said what I've said, apologised for it and unlike you I have no interest in continuing a personal vendetta.

Blimey, get over yourself will you!

I've said what I've said, apologised for it and unlike you I have no interest in continuing a personal vendetta.

Yes, so good I've said it twice, which was accidental on my non failing computer

NYM, I used to be as black and white as you are until I saw a bad allergic reaction to vaccination. Now I respect other people's views, you may have read scientific reports in the newspapers but I can say for sure there are some mums here who I do very much respect that trust the Lancet more than what is said in the news. And they also think, that vacination in not 100% safe for 100% of the children. Actually, many of the medical profession would agree on that if speaking in confidence, or even out of it just ask if somebody with an egg allergy should go through a normal round of vaccines and they would say no, but how can they now the child has an eeg allergy if by the time of the MMR egg have not been introduced in their diets?. Of course this is just one of many examples. Vacines should not be applied as a blanket measure, every child is different and for some, the same vaccine that is safe for your DD and my DS could be a disaster, the problem is we don't know who those children are until disaster has struck.

and the sad reality is to have a tailor made vacination program based on the individual child would be very expensive. However, how expensive is the child?

I know such an approach would be impossible, just wish somebody paid more attention to the worries of the mothers who have seen a dramatic change in their children after the vax, instead of dismissing all of the evidence in order that new mother are not put off vax.

Sorry if I have reopen the discussion, it has taken me so long to read the full thread that it seems now we are in more freindly terms... appologies

Ture ture Chandra- but once you have an autistic child you are a "mother" which means that a) you are a pain in the arse and b) you are too stupid to have ever noticed that you had a "normal" child. Certainly not to be trusted.

Nah I wasn't watching sophable - was too busy dealing with a nice bit of autism ignorance in my own hoome (why do people come and stay if they can't cope with autism? really astounds me- and stresses me out more than mmr discussions )

Just a question about this topic?

So our government isn't interested in doing research to establish which children might be more at risk of an adverse reaction from the MMR ~ is any government of the world doing this kind of research?

Just curious. You'd think someone might want to.

I can't believe that we can make an arguement over this subject.

I know my decisions over my children and mmr and I do not believe that a person can actually give another person advice on whether to vaccinate or not. I would never come on here and say, for instance that 'mmr is safe....vaccinate' as I would never want the life of a child on my hands. It is such a terrible thing to try and get through our useless government and decide what the truth is about mmr. All we can do as parents is hope we do the right thing. We do not need to be told that we fail our kids by not vaccinating neither should we be told that we risk causing serious damage to our children by vaccinating. This is why so many people get offensive now when mmr is mentioned.

This is not a subject that anyone can give advice on as it is down to the parent to decide. Nobody can ever tell if they are doing the right thing.....it will always be a chance to take, but we really shouldn't be arguing amongst ourselves over such a subject. Mentioning mmr is very controversial, but it shouldn't be. We should be able to get as much information and advice as we need and then make our own decision. We should never be told by anyone that we are making the wrong decision.

Tony Blair refused to say whether his child had been vaccinated and I thought at the time that he was wrong, but seeing now how people jump on you over the mmr subject, I dont blame him for keeping that information to himself.

The world makes us feel like we are constantly making the wrong decisions over our children(mmr, breastfeeding, food, etc) so our defenses are always high now.

I don't think the govt.'s have the guts to look into it tbh, but there is a research group here in the states that was started by the father of an autistic child. They have gotten quite a bit of funding and hopefully will find something definitive. Can't remember the name of the foundation just now unfortunately.

No Beatie not goovt funded (too scary if there was found to be a problem- it would have too many knock on effects) but visceral is

Jabberwocky - I don't know which company manufactures the rubella vaccine. It certainly WAS available on the NHS recently though as Uwila says, she had it 2 yrs ago and I could have had it when tested for immunity as a routine pre pregnancy medical I had. Merck may be the company that supplies some of the private hospitals which offer separate vaccines though. My blood still boils when I think that I would either have to pay to go private, about £70, or else have a full MMR if I was low on rubella immunity and trying for a baby. It is just another way of the general population being f**d over by the Gvt IMO ( excuse harsh language!). Let's all just remind ourselves that only last year the mercury carrying dipptheria/tet/hib/pertussis vaccine was withdrawn by the govt and replaced with a newer mercury free version, and yet the govt/ health authority was that there was ' nothing wrong with the previous one and it was completely safe' - yeah, so that's why it was withdrawn!!!!I am no scientist but I agree with being very careful and also skeptical, and Uwila's point that it is the MASSES AND NOT THE INDIVIDUAL which concerns the govt is a good one.My dd and new one due soon are not ' masses' and to be honest I am already in turmoil about what to do jab wise about my expected baby. Other MNers will know my 3 year old had very bad reaction to her early jabs abd developed severe eczema a few days later ( but of course ' nothing to do with it at all' said the GPs - yeah, right)and we got separate measles etc when the time came. Now we may choose not to vaccinate at all - anfd as far as I can see that will not be a failure of my parenting skills in any way. And I said I wouldn't get into this discussion !!!!damn!!!!

I've never understood why people want to know if Tony Blair gave Leo MMR. Apart from it being confidential and none of anyone's business, if his judgement on Iraq is iffy why would anyone be reassured on any decsion he took on MMR.

I suppose with a lot of other hot topics it boils down to one thing
What one mother/parent chooses for their child does not mean that a parent who chooses another way is wrong.
My son depends on the general masses being vaccinated, this may well go for TB too, but I have not vaccinated my daughter either as she has had measles and I am not prepared to risk going through a reaction like my son had with a child who has a rare genetic condition that could make her susceptible to some reaction. This is not science it's my sense telling me.
But I know lots of people who have vaccinated and been fine, I know some who feel very strongly that a vaccine was responsible for their child changing or becoming ill.
This is in no way a black and white argument, so it cannot be as simple as right and wrong.

I looked into this 2 years ago when immunising my DS was a concern and this study helped to make up my mind:

content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/347/19/1477

PS. I did read the whole article when it was available at the time btw

although no-one's ever suggested that mmr causes all autism (which is basically the hypothesis that study tests)

wow. what a thread.

got back from aceh at midnight as flight was delayed. thankfully i dont think i exposed myself to any measles cases so hopefully i can breathe easy for the time being while deliberating over the MMR.

Presuming if I were to go ahead with the MMR, am I right in understanding that it would be better to have it at around 15 mth rather than 12 mths?when is the best timing really?

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Tinker, I would imagine that Cherie (and her crystal gazing chums) would have had much more input on Leo's vaccination status than the PM...