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Am astounded they have introduced BCG for newborn babies in our area

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dinny · 07/07/2008 20:42

Got a leaflet in an antenatal pack - am really shocked (we are in Surrey), hadn't realised TB was so rife..... (is it?)

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SalVolatile · 07/07/2008 21:28

Due to a change in Govt health policy 3 years ago, UK teens are no longer being routinely given the bcg as the risk is considered small. We live in Kent where the programme stopped overnight, and it is not even possible to get your teenager vaxed privately as clinics have to prove a 'need' (ie travel to high risk country) before obtaining the jab again. So angry that 40 years of reducing the prevalence of this in the UK is being threatened by cost cutting in addition to everything else!

Beeper · 07/07/2008 21:34

TBH there are so many strains of TB that vaxing with one strain does not achieve that much.

amidaiwish · 07/07/2008 22:04

i live in twickenham
had DD1 at Kingston - didn't have to have the BCG
had DD2 at West Mid - was almost bullied into making her have it 4 hours after birth. i refused, got into a ruck about it, but still refused.

it depends on the borough the hospital is in. As far as i'm concerned if DD1 was low risk then so is DD2! Hospitals are far too vaccination-happy imo. (have had other imms btw so not anti-vaccination generally, just not a couple of hours after birth fgs!)

dinny · 07/07/2008 22:04

mmm, I shan't be taking them up on it, I have to say

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CristinaTheAstonishing · 07/07/2008 23:20

Our DCs will be travelling to the same countries and be exposed to same cousins etc, I'd have liked DD1 to have had the BCG as well.

Gobbledigook · 07/07/2008 23:26

MIne all had it as newborns (7, 5 and 3 now) - I had to request it for ds3 though.

We live near a major city and about 10 mins drive from an international airport.

PortAndLemon · 07/07/2008 23:32

DS at Kingston, 2005 -- no BCG
DD at Kingston, 2008 -- no BCG

chegirl · 07/07/2008 23:43

Didnt do it in Islington 14 and 16 years ago but do it in Walthamstow now.

Errmmm Sleepycat dont want to start anything but its been Guyana for quite a while now and you might get a few hard stares for calling it British Guiana.

BTW thats where my OHs mum and dad are from. Have you managed to visit? Id love to go but its not exactly on the package holiday route!

willweeversell · 08/07/2008 10:18

My Grandfather died of Tb last year, he was not thought to be in a 'high risk' group. He was mis-diagnosed with Cancer of the lung and it was only when he was close to death that they found he had TB.

Because of this my DS has had to undergo nearly a year of tests, and has had t take prophylactic anti-Tb drugs which believe me is a scary prospect if you are brave enough to read the potential side effects, much much worse than any potential problems with the BCG jab. The six months he was ont eh drugs were the worse six months of my life

Maybe when you have lost someone to TB it brings it home to you that is is still a potentially fatal disease, and that although most children who are exposed will not become ill some will become sick and some will die.TB can affect nearly all the body systems not just the lungs and children will become sicker much faster.

I completely understand why people hate giving their kids vaccinations as I am ne f them, but people, especially those born and bred in the uk are so incredibly sheltered and the 'it will never happen to me/us mentality is rife. Unfortunately things are changing, most communicable diseases are^ on the rise and we are seeing the resurgence of some of the 'old' killers.

If your child is offered the bcg please think carefully before you refuse it on their behalf. It may not give 100% protection but it does offer some, and it may save your child from unnecessary treatment at a later date if they are exposed to someone with this disease, or it may save their life.

candyfluff · 08/07/2008 13:03

my ds is nearly 2 and he had the bcg when he was 3 weeks old due to his dad being from bangladesh,he was meant to have it hours old but as he was born on a sunday the people werent there to do it.
we live in suffolk.
i dont think it was a you have to do it but was strongly advised.
it was infected for ages weeping pus and left a big scar,my other 2 kids didnt have it so im kinna wishing we hadnt bothered

FAQ · 08/07/2008 13:11

One of my closest friends is a TB nurse and she's constantly having to explain to people that actually most of her patients are aged between 20-50, and are mostly white Brits who live in "nice" areas. yes she has some patients she visits who are from an ethnic minority, or from abroad, some of who do live in some very rough areas but many are surprised that this very often isn't the case.

willweeversell · 08/07/2008 16:29

FAQ thats just reminded me that I know yet another person (albeit not close to us) who has just been diagnosed with tb. My friends brother who works abroad has contracted it. He is quite ill apparently and recieving the first phase of his treatment in hospital. Ascar is a small price to pay for immunity IMO.

LIZS · 08/07/2008 17:37

Congratulations !! When I had ds at ESH 10 years ago another baby was given it on the ward and my gp said it would only be a matter of time . Even then there was a relatively high incidence around Crawley/Gatwick.

Bundle · 08/07/2008 17:37

we've had this for years in the warzone that is Hackney...yawn

ILikeToMoveItMoveIt · 08/07/2008 17:41

Funny you should mention this. I noticed the BCG form in my antenatal pack a few months ago.

We live in Suffolk so I was quite surprised to see it tbh.

dinny · 08/07/2008 19:08

thanks LIZS

how did you find ESH, btw?

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LIZS · 08/07/2008 19:27

do you really want to know ...? My experience was before they took the Crawley patients and I was on a feedback forum to improve Maternity after ds so hope it has. I was mightily glad to have had dd abroad tbh but I know others who have subsequently been very happy.

dinny · 08/07/2008 20:09

mmm, have heard not very good reports - where else is there though?

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roccoco · 08/07/2008 20:13

Are you in Ireland or Northern Ireland by any chance?

I moved from Surrey to Wicklow in Ireland and my DC will have to have the BCG

I hope it's improved since my day, when it left 3 big craters in your arm!

Mercy · 08/07/2008 20:15

I think another reason is that the TB vaccine doesn't confer lifelong immunity - so that coupled with the possible exposure to TB either via family, classmates or travel abroad etc it make sense to me.

Both mine had the jab when they very young with no side-affects or scars.

It's compulsory in countries such as Eygpt.

chutneymary · 08/07/2008 20:16

DD2 offered at 3 weeks and had it at 7 weeks. No scar at all. DD1 wasn't offered and when I inquired she was on a catch up programme and would be done in 2009. To get round this, I took both girls along at the same time and said to the nurse "oh look, my DD1 hasn't been done, would you mind doing her too?" and she was happy to, esp as I'd brought 2 red books. DD1 has a small scar (she is 3) but worth it for the protection, however limited.

We are in SE London and apparently TB is rife.

Turniphead1 · 08/07/2008 20:25

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LIZS · 08/07/2008 20:38

I don't think there is huge choice here tbh. Mayday or perhaps Princess Royal in Orpington but both further away.

Lilymaid · 08/07/2008 20:46

Current policy is as follows:
From 1 September 2005, the new policy is to provide an improved targeted BCG
vaccination programme for -
? All infants (aged 0 to 12 months) living in areas where the incidence of TB is
40/100,000 or greater
? All infants (aged 0 to 12 months) with a parent or grandparent who was born in a
country where the incidence of TB is 40/100,000 or greater
Previously unvaccinated older children with specific risk factors for TB who would
formerly have been offered BCG through the schools? programme, should now be
identified at suitable opportunities, and tested and vaccinated if appropriate.

summer111 · 09/07/2008 19:36

Both of mine had it and it was fairly painless, left no scar. It was like a stamp on their upper arm - a series of little needles all pricking the skin at the same time - not a jab as such. We haven't looked back since !