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Help - Dad is an alcoholic, don't know where to turn

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 20:32

My DB called me this morning to talk about my dad. At first I didn't understand what he was on about, as apart from the fact that dad's getting a divorce and drinks too much, I've kind of been out of the loop for a couple of days. Anyway things are so much worse than I'd imagined.

Apparently DSM has reached then end of her tether with their marriage after my dad has been drunk for the last two weeks and spent that time following her round, verbally abusing her. Things reached a head on Tuesday, after she visited a solicitor, when he was so abusive and out of it that she called the police. He was arrested for breach of the peace and removed from the house. She asked them about having him sectioned but apparently they won't section drunks. She asked them not to take him to my DB's house but that's where they took him.

He arrived at DB's with a dressing gown and a bottle of wine. DB took the wine off him, but said he was raging, steaming and incoherent. DB put him to bed and the next morning he woke DB up and asked for an ambulance. He was taken to hospital where he was diagnosed with a burst and bleeding ulcer.

Dad has been in there ever since. Apparently he is in full-on detox now, shaking, swearing, trying to find more alcohol and hallucinating. He was trying to discharge himself so he could go for a drink and they've had to sedate him to keep him in. DB says he's never seen anything like it.

Poor DB has a poor relationship with dad anyway, as dad was dreadful to him after our mum died (DB was 13) and he's now said he can't have dad staying with him in this state - he only has a one bed place and has enough problems of his own that he's trying to work through.

None of our family are prepared to help. They've washed their hands of dad, and none of them have ever offered DB or me any support. DB was so apologetic about talking to me (I'm 7 months pregnant and have had a tough pregnancy) but he didn't know what to do. We talked about talking to the hospital about getting dad a mental health referral and discussing where to go with social services. DB said he'd pick that up with them.

I then phone my DSM I have to say I ended up feeling so sorry for her. She's been trying to deal with this by herself for the last 8 months and she's now come to the conclusion that she needs him out of her life. She feels like she's lost her husband, her companion and her chance of a happy retirement. She said she hadn't called me as she didn't want me to get stressed about it, but she sounded a total mess. She doesn't appear to have totally washed her hands of him, but he can't go back there as she's frightened of him and the police have told her not to let him in. Anyway, she called hospital and talked them through what we think needs doing, i.e. we want them to refer him to mental health and social services, as he can't go to either her or DB's when he comes out, and she says they agreed but only after some persuasion.

I'm fucking furious with my dad. He has been a useless father and I have learned to be self-sufficient and suddenly here we are with a 60 year old toddler to deal with. DP is away - I feel lost!

Does anyone have any experience or advice that might help? Dad is currently refusing to admit he has a problem. Apparently he just 'enjoys a drink' and doesn't see anything wrong with the fact that he's destroyed his marriage, made himself unemployable (he hasn't worked since October), probably drunk driven his way round town and alientated his children (to be fair he alienated us 20 years ago when mum died and he remarried after 6 months to a woman who didn't want us around) to the point where neither of us want to see him. We really are in the dark about options or help that we might be able to get him.

If you've made it to the bottom of this thanks.

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 20:42

Bump.

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 20:49

Bumping again for anyone.

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NigellaTheOriginal · 20/06/2008 20:53

first sympathy. for you. this is not going to be easy.

Request mental health and SS referral while dad is in hospital.
unfortunately there is probably not a lot they can do until Dad accepts that he needs help and will refer himself tosomewhere like a drug and alcohol advisory service.
Once he is detoxed a bit he may well accept that he needs help but it won't be nice for him or you while this is going on.
If SMIL won't have him back you and your brother will need to be very strong and also refuse. dad will then be homeless and will have to go down the local housing/hostel route.

there is help out there for people with alcohol problems but it is only available for people who will self refer and accept there is a problem and want to change.

cheesesarnie · 20/06/2008 20:54

firstly im very sorry your going through this.i grew up with alcholic dad.in my experience until he admits he has a problem theres nothing you can do.he will get treated in hospital but if he doesnt believe he has a problem he could come straight back out and reach for a drink.

the hospital should be able to put you in touch with people who can advice you.

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 20:57

Poor you and your db.

I think your db has covered all bases by speaking to the mental health/social services people.However the bottom line is he is not going to get any better until he owns he has a problem - it doesnt sound like he is hitting rock bottom yet. Also its not unreasonable not to want to deal with your dad -in fact there is a school of thought that would say that if you were to offer help/support you were validating and enabling him in his problem. that said its easier said than done to do that.

I had issues re drinking with one of my parents which led to end of marriage and complete breakdown in behaviour of the drinking parent until they got help. I can offer no real advice apart from fact that it is their issue not yours. You are not responsible for thier behaviour ,they are and the only way things will get better for dad.

try to take each day at a time and try to look after yourself and the baby/dp... you can do something about protecting yourself, talking about your feelings but you can't do something. Also can I suggest if poss that you do find someone to talk to (dp, alanon www.al-anonuk.org.uk/) - pregnancy is a very vulnerable time and you need to be able to find an outlet for this that will allow you to find space and time for your family too.

Can you grab some choc biscuits and talk to your dp as sounds like

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 20:57

Yes I realise that's our main issue at the moment - his refusal to accept help.

DSM is frightened of him at the moment so I can't see her having him back. DB is as angry as me.

Hospital intends to keep him in for a few days but not sure whether that is enough for him to detox and realise he has an issue.

Glad we're on right lines with asking hospital for referrals. He's in Yorkshire and I'm in London, so I'm removed from the immediate problem and DSM has asked me to focus on myself, but it's not easy.

I love him but loathe him, iykwim?

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poppy34 · 20/06/2008 20:58

xposts with cheesesarnie who put it much more eloquently than me.

my sis did find alanon helpful though

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 20:59

yep -know what you mean re the loving/loathing dsm.. it would be much much easier if it was one or the other

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 20:59

and last suggestion was not intended to be trite - just didnt like idea of you being alone and a dealing with this

cheesesarnie · 20/06/2008 21:01

'I love him but loathe him, iykwim? '

yes i know exactly what you mean.its awful .

my story has a happy ending.my dad gave up over a year ago and ive had to get to know a 'new' dad all over again(hed been drinking since i cant remember!).

goodluck to you all

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:03

Poppy just having people post is helping.

I was so upset earlier I had to walk out of work, but luckily a friend of mine is at home on Friday's so I went round there and talked to her. Have also just eaten half a large pizza!

DP is back from his trip tomorrow. Have already spoken to him - have never heard him so lost for words before. Just want to hide from the world at the moment!

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:05

I can't believe it's come to this - it seems to have happened so quickly that he's gone from a heavy but normal drinker to completely dependent.

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cheesesarnie · 20/06/2008 21:12

is it possible hes been dependant for longer than you realise?imo they are good at hiding it.

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:18

Well he always used to just have a few drinks in the evening but that has gotten earlier and earlier. I first noticed he was odd when he visited after DS was born in March 2006 and he asked us if we minded having wine in the fridge as he liked to get up in the night if he couldn't sleep and have a glass. It's really escalated in the months since he lost his job though into going to bed at 8pm (as he's tired from drinking) getting up every couple of hours for more drink, to now he just drinks constantly throughout the day. It's definitelty been a slippery slope for a while but this level seems to have all happened very quickly.

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poppy34 · 20/06/2008 21:31

cheesesarnie right - when I look back dad hiding it for you.

fwiw he has not drunk for years (touch wood) and things a lot better for both of my parents

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 21:32

sorry hiding it for years..

dunno whats got into me tonight with quick typing. Glad you've got someone to keep you company and dp is back tomorrow.

Its a huge shock and not easy to go through so please do take good care of yourself

barking · 20/06/2008 21:34

Hi Sunshinemummy
I have had an alcoholic dm all my life so understand a little of what you are going through.

They drink (it seems) at the most inconvenient times, my dm went massively downhill 2 weeks before I had my first child.

Given your situation and your history between you and your father I would suggest you first have to make a decision about whether you are going to be involved or walk away.

If you choose to be involved I would try to persuade your father when he is next sober to think about his drinking and how it impinges on himself and others and see if he will consider treatment - this could involve a lengthy stay at a drying out clinic. He is in massive denial, which means he doesn't have to think about the underlying problem(s).

If he refuses and his behaviour worsens, look into the mental health act if he is being a danger to himself or others, you have to get 2 doctors signatures, it can be a massive responsibility trying to fight to get your father treatment, you will have to make hundreds of phonecalls, take copius notes and be very assertive if you want action taken quickly.

If you choose not to be involved, I would try and be a support to your brother and stepmother, they will need you, there is an awful stigma and secrecy around alcoholism. They may want to talk about their feelings of being overwhelmed, helplessness, anger etc. they will want reasons why, to try and make sense of all the chaos.

You are also heavily pregnant, so I would also have a strategy in place to look after yourself in all of this. When you reach your limit with the stress of it all. Take the phone off the hook, have a bath, go for a walk etc.

All I can say is after 37 years involvement is that essentially I don't believe it is an illness. I believe depression is the illness and the drinking is the self-medication,

When I realised this, a lot of the anger slipped away, I realised my mother was doing her best with the tools she had at the time. People suffering with depression need to find the right tools to cope with their feelings instead of drinking to numb them out or excessive drinking seeking oblivion.

I would ask him what is really going on and keep asking until he gives you an answer and take it from there.

Best of luck xx

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:35

Poppy it's been a huge shock. I feel drained and will head to bed soon.

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BlaDeBla · 20/06/2008 21:38

What a horrilbe thing to deal with. You sound as though you are doing well in that you are putting your own needs first. You seem to have successfully moved on from an abusive father, but this sounds like a great whack round the chops.

I'm afraid I don't have any sensible advice. I have watched a friend kill herself with alcohol. her behaviour sounds similar to your dad's.

You need to get as much support for you as it's unlikely you will have any great affect on your dad. Keep posting if it helps!

poppy34 · 20/06/2008 21:42

great post barking - can I echo the bit about thinking of yourself? Given you're 7 months pregnant I'm really concerned that you do need not need any more stress than this (sounds like barking can talk far more expertly than I can given her experience with her dm)

Bed is a good idea I think - can imagine its all been horrendous for you.

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:42

BlaDeBla he wasn't abusive just rubbish. Put himself first, never there for us, kicked out DB when he was 15 etc. I made a decision a long time ago to be self-sufficient but suddenyl feeling like it's turning round and I've become the responsible one.

Agree I need to think about my family and me (i.e. DS, DP and the baby). Am just angry, sad and shell-shocked at the moment.

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poppy34 · 20/06/2008 21:49

being rubbish is not to be underestimated sunshine - you don't realise til later on (eg now when you are with dp etc) how low you're expectations were and how much crap you took as being "normal". Think that is what made me feel very sad/angry later on ..not just abotu the decline of dad but the rubbish that had gone on before.

Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:53

Barking thanks for your post, it's really helpful.

My thoughts at the moment, are that I want to help him get help but only if/when he agrees he needs it. I'm not sure I'm prepared to try and force him to change when he doesn't want to but realise, if that happens, I will have massive feelings of guilt about not doing more.

I intend to be as supportive as possible to DB and DSM (even though she was anything but to us when she first got together with dad not long after our mum died) but I know DB also doesn't want this to be his responsbility either. He like me feels that dad abandoned us when we needed him most so why should we now - but of course we both feel guilty for feeling like this.

I know, and I know DP will insist, that I need to put me, DS and the baby first and I absolutely will do that. Do feel I need to have a frank, sober conversation with dad though, although not sure how/when that can happen right now.

All I do know is that I can't be around him right now.

Thanks all for posting - it really is appreciated.

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Sunshinemummy · 20/06/2008 21:58

Also, agree that he does have depression. In fact one of the first hats DSM and I had about him, when the drinking had started to become a real issue, was about how he had given up all his hobbies and interests and how she was worried he was depressed and self-medicating but wouldn't admit it or do anything about it. He's never been one for talking about his feelings or seeking help.

Asfor his rubbishness, I could write a book. The first few years after my mum died where just awful. I only started to make sense of that and get through it when I got some counselling and realised I could only rely on me and would never expect dad to be there for me again. I'm proud that I've built a great life with DP (who had his own family problems) and am so proud of my home and family. They are the key for me and I can't let someone jeapordise those.

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BlaDeBla · 20/06/2008 22:19

I'm sorry, Sunshine, I didn't mean to offend you by jumping the gun like that. I'm projecting my own untidy life onto you.

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